Your Answer to Saving on Fuel Costs - HHO Kit

salden9.TakeThisOut@comcast.net wrote:
> I'm so gullible. Thank God I am poor enough I can't try everything. Brown
> gas makes good points but, really. can it work that easy? I thought
> electrolysis required large amounts of electricity and "injecting" hydrogen
> by sticking a small tube into the intake is not injecting. So what we
> really have here, I'm thinking is the infusion of a very small amount (if
> any) of water vapor.
>
> I don't generally like water in my gas.
>
> Better ideas?
>



It's spam of course, nothing more. Splitting water into hydrogen and
oxygen requires more energy than you get by recombining (burning) them.
If there were a magic bullet that could easily increase fuel economy,
car makers would skip the cumbersome hybrid approach and be making a
killing off it. Reality is not as profitable as conspiracy theories though.
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I hate reality.

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"James Sweet" wrote in message

> salden9.DeleteThis@comcast.net wrote:
>> I'm so gullible. Thank God I am poor enough I can't try everything.
>> Brown gas makes good points but, really. can it work that easy? I
>> thought electrolysis required large amounts of electricity and
>> "injecting" hydrogen by sticking a small tube into the intake is not
>> injecting. So what we really have here, I'm thinking is the infusion of
>> a very small amount (if any) of water vapor.
>>
>> I don't generally like water in my gas.
>>
>> Better ideas?
>>
>
>
>
> It's spam of course, nothing more. Splitting water into hydrogen and
> oxygen requires more energy than you get by recombining (burning) them. If
> there were a magic bullet that could easily increase fuel economy, car
> makers would skip the cumbersome hybrid approach and be making a killing
> off it. Reality is not as profitable as conspiracy theories though.
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On Mar 6, 3:41 am, wrote:

> Your Answer to Saving on Fuel Cost

The "Run Car on Water" Scam Busted

Far too many people are not informed enough to avoid being defrauded
and "ripped off" when it comes to devices they believe to be the
result of technological advances in science. Technologies advance so
fast and some times in such unexpected ways that few non-scientists
can know if a device being sold can in fact perform as its sellers
claim it does.

In the past two years a "water as fuel" scam has been spreading over
the internet, and far too few people have the science background to
know it is a scam. This is not because they are "stupid," or "idiots:"
it is just that ignorance is the default human condition, and one has
to seek out and acquire specialized knowledge to know if a deal that
sounds too good to be true really is true.

The fraudulent devices go by many names, and their sellers and
promoters make many claims about the devices. Some call them "HHO
cells;" some call them "Brown's gas cells." The phrases and claims
vary, but the fraudulent devices being sold are pretty much the same.

The devices claim to produce enough hydrogen, using electricity to
break the chemical bonds in water, to improve an automobile's miles-
per-gallon consumption of fuel. Usually the sellers claim that the
electricity used to break the chemical bonds of water, therefore
releasing oxygen and hydrogen gasses, is "free" in that the
automobile's alternator powers the system. None of these claims are
true.

In fact, these devices waste gasoline when installed in automobiles,
as they increase the time the automobile's alternator must energize
its field coil, thus adding additional friction to the engine. The
amount of hydrogen produced, when converted into energy via
combustion, is always, without exception, less than the amount of
energy the gasoline used to provide that additional electrical energy.
It always, without exception, requires more energy to break the
chemical bonds of water than the gases produce will provide to the
automobile's engine.

One can calculate how much power, in Watts, an automobile requires to
run at a given speed. P = kg * V * DV * / Dt where the weight of the
vehicle in kilograms is multiplied by the speed (V) in meters per
second (DV) divided by the drag in distance over time (Dt).

For one example, to maintain my Toyota pickup at 55 miles per hour,
the vehicle must consume 18,146 Watts (24.35 horsepower).

Many of the scam devices claim a fuel efficiency (in miles per gallon)
increase of around 30%. That means the device must produce enough
hydrogen to provide 5,444 additional watts to the engine--- in
addition to the gasoline consumed. That means, if the HHO device
converted the energy from the alternator into hydrogen at 100%
efficiency (which is impossible), and that hydrogen provided 100%
energy efficiency to the engine (also an impossibility), the HHO
device must consume 394 Amps to provide enough hydrogen and oxygen to
produce enough energy to increase MPG by 30%.

And yet most of the HHO devices draw at most 9 Amps, and their
efficiency at converting that 9 Amps into hydrogen is a small fraction
of 100%.

Not only does the math prove the devices are worthless, but actual
testing prove they are worthless. The United States Environment
Protection Agency tested nearly two dozen HHO devices, and every
single one tested were shown to be worthless.

More to the point, if these devices actually performed as their
sellers' claim, every automobile manufacturer would have long ago made
them standard equipment: they would already be in our automobiles, and
in every new automobile made. The USA government has ordered car
manufacturers to build more fuel-efficient automobiles, and if these
HHO devices actually worked, that requirement would be easily met with
a tiny fraction of the cost auto manufacturers are currently spending
working to meet that requirement.

The only "evidence" that promoters of the HHO "water car" / "water as
fuel" scam can provide is anonymous testimonials which they write to
sell the worthless devices. Worse yet, many of these devices are sold
in pyramid scams, called "multi-level marketing," or "network
marketing," which defrauds not only the victim who buys them, but also
the sellers who believe the devices work as claimed. That is, many
sellers have been stuck with hundreds of these useless devices, and
they cannot find enough suckers to buy them.

The bottom line is:

1) these HHO devices cannot convert enough electrical energy into
mechanical energy to perform as the sellers claim;

2) all tests of these devices show them to be worthless;

3) the laws of physics mandate a loss of energy, every time, without
exception, when HHO devices are used;

4) not all of the sellers and promoters of the scam know it's a scam,
until they put one in their own cars and discover it's a scam;

5) if they worked, new cars would already have them installed;

6) and finally, something that is clearly too good to be true almost
always is.
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