Advice on New X5 vs Cayenne S?

On Wed, 24 Jan 2007 21:32:52 +0000, hsg RemoveThis @h-gee.co.uk wrote:

>On Wed, 24 Jan 2007 19:16:25 GMT, "DougA" <douga RemoveThis @hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>What are your thoughts on the X5 V8 vs the Cayenne S? The X5 seems more
>>high tech.
>>
>My thoughts are that Porsche should stick to what they do best - make fast air
>cooled Volkswagens.
>
>Keep the 4x4 or Chelsea Tractor (New York Tractor) to the folks that know what
>they might be doing.
>
>Ford own Land Rover now but they Bought it from BMW who stole it from ROVER
>along with the FWD technology of the mini.

But aren't you dodging the question of why BMW is offering more and
more Chelsea tractor variants? Are you saying that, unlike Porsche,
it's because they're doing it well, or what?

And on an unrelated note, Porsche finally has something - in their
Cayman S - that may tempt me to eventually swap my NSX for. BMW has
*nothing* in that class that competes, more's the pity.

My '01 e39 will also need to be replaced towards the end of this year,
mostly because the extended warranty will expire and I don't want to
foot the bill for more starter motors and fuel pumps like it's needed
so far, and ghod knows what's next.

I simply cannot come to terms with BMW's new styling, as much as I
have tried. Where does that leave me? I'm not trolling, this is not
cross-posted, it's an honest question.
--
Dan.
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DougA wrote:
> What are your thoughts on the X5 V8 vs the Cayenne S? The X5 seems more
> high tech.
>
>

I ordered a 4.8 X5 about a month ago. The Cayenne S was also nice but I
didn't like the interior and the performance was about the same. The
new X5 does have more high tech features than my '04 X5 4.4i.

BTW - I also looked at the Mercedes GL 450. It get high marks for
comfort but lacks in performance. It corners like an old Buick.

Dan
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On Wed, 24 Jan 2007 18:25:02 -0500, Dean Dark
<ddrake RemoveThis @comcast.notthis.net> wrote:

>On Wed, 24 Jan 2007 21:32:52 +0000, hsg RemoveThis @h-gee.co.uk wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 24 Jan 2007 19:16:25 GMT, "DougA" <douga RemoveThis @hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>What are your thoughts on the X5 V8 vs the Cayenne S? The X5 seems more
>>>high tech.
>>>
>>My thoughts are that Porsche should stick to what they do best - make fast air
>>cooled Volkswagens.
>>
>>Keep the 4x4 or Chelsea Tractor (New York Tractor) to the folks that know what
>>they might be doing.
>>
>>Ford own Land Rover now but they Bought it from BMW who stole it from ROVER
>>along with the FWD technology of the mini.
>
>But aren't you dodging the question of why BMW is offering more and
>more Chelsea tractor variants? Are you saying that, unlike Porsche,
>it's because they're doing it well, or what?
>
>And on an unrelated note, Porsche finally has something - in their
>Cayman S - that may tempt me to eventually swap my NSX for. BMW has
>*nothing* in that class that competes, more's the pity.
>
>My '01 e39 will also need to be replaced towards the end of this year,
>mostly because the extended warranty will expire and I don't want to
>foot the bill for more starter motors and fuel pumps like it's needed
>so far, and ghod knows what's next.
>
>I simply cannot come to terms with BMW's new styling, as much as I
>have tried. Where does that leave me? I'm not trolling, this is not
>cross-posted, it's an honest question.

The X5 is, imo, a better car than the Cayenne, which has a poor
reputation as far as reliability. An amazing car, but I think the X5
fills the niche better (especially with the new engines).
As far as BMW not having a Cayman competitor - the car it's most
often compared to is a BMW: the Z4 M Coupe. The BMW's handling isn't
as refined, but it's a better value considering how close they are in
performance vs. the difference in price.
As for not getting on board with the new styling, I think that's
shortsighted as everyone else seems to be following the trend. But if
for some reason BMW went under tomorrow, my next choice would be Audi.
epbrown
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"Dan" <dankrueger.RemoveThis@mindspringzz.com> wrote in message
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> DougA wrote:
>> What are your thoughts on the X5 V8 vs the Cayenne S? The X5 seems more
>> high tech.
>
> I ordered a 4.8 X5 about a month ago. The Cayenne S was also nice but I
> didn't like the interior and the performance was about the same. The new
> X5 does have more high tech features than my '04 X5 4.4i.
>
> BTW - I also looked at the Mercedes GL 450. It get high marks for comfort
> but lacks in performance. It corners like an old Buick.

Er and other SUV's don't - do try a comparative test drive with a regular
car inteh same class!

>
> Dan
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<hsg.TakeThisOut@h-gee.co.uk> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 24 Jan 2007 19:16:25 GMT, "DougA" <douga.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>What are your thoughts on the X5 V8 vs the Cayenne S? The X5 seems more
>>high tech.
>>
> My thoughts are that Porsche should stick to what they do best - make
> fast air
> cooled Volkswagens.
>
> Keep the 4x4 or Chelsea Tractor (New York Tractor) to the folks that know
> what
> they might be doing.
>
> Ford own Land Rover now but they Bought it from BMW who stole it from
> ROVER
> along with the FWD technology of the mini.

IIRC BMW did pay a pound for Rover, which was about what it was worth at the
time.

The idea that BMW 'stole' front wheel drive technology from Rover, when in
fact is was pioneered by Citroen before the war and any patents have long
since run out is fanciful to say the least.

>
>
>
> Sir Hugh of Bognor
>
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On Thu, 25 Jan 2007 02:23:49 -0000, "R. Mark Clayton"
<nospamclayton DeleteThis @btinternet.com> wrote:

>
><hsg DeleteThis @h-gee.co.uk> wrote in message
>news:svjfr2psc9cfn1e6vhv98c6ctm29ag9bhk@4ax.com...
>> On Wed, 24 Jan 2007 19:16:25 GMT, "DougA" <douga DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>What are your thoughts on the X5 V8 vs the Cayenne S? The X5 seems more
>>>high tech.
>>>
>> My thoughts are that Porsche should stick to what they do best - make
>> fast air
>> cooled Volkswagens.
>>
>> Keep the 4x4 or Chelsea Tractor (New York Tractor) to the folks that know
>> what
>> they might be doing.
>>
>> Ford own Land Rover now but they Bought it from BMW who stole it from
>> ROVER
>> along with the FWD technology of the mini.
>
>IIRC BMW did pay a pound for Rover, which was about what it was worth at the
>time.

NO NO NO - BMW paid millions - they sold it to a consortium of Ex Rover
directors for £10 (ten GB Pounds CASH)
>
>The idea that BMW 'stole' front wheel drive technology from Rover, when in
>fact is was pioneered by Citroen before the war and any patents have long
>since run out is fanciful to say the least.

Yes I know that Citroen had FWD before the war and so did JOWETT before Citroen.
JOWETT also had air cooled engines (2CV) and a flat 4 arrangement (2CV?)


The mini was developed on a canteen tablecloth by Alec Issignosis as a
replacement for the Austin A30/A35 & Morris Minor - It did replace the A35 but
not the Morris Minor that was so loved by little old ladies and carpenters!



Sir Hugh of Bognor

The difference between men and boys is the price of their toys.

Intelligence is not knowing the answer but knowing where and how to find it!

Hugh Gundersen
hsg DeleteThis @h-gee.co.uk
Bognor Regis, W.Sussex, England, UK
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R. Mark Clayton wrote:

> "Dan" <dankrueger RemoveThis @mindspringzz.com> wrote in message
> news:45b80d0c$0$18376$88260bb3@alt.teranews.com...
>
>>DougA wrote:
>>
>>>What are your thoughts on the X5 V8 vs the Cayenne S? The X5 seems more
>>>high tech.
>>
>>I ordered a 4.8 X5 about a month ago. The Cayenne S was also nice but I
>>didn't like the interior and the performance was about the same. The new
>>X5 does have more high tech features than my '04 X5 4.4i.
>>
>>BTW - I also looked at the Mercedes GL 450. It get high marks for comfort
>>but lacks in performance. It corners like an old Buick.
>
>
> Er and other SUV's don't - do try a comparative test drive with a regular
> car inteh same class!
>
>
>>Dan
>

"Er", I did drive both and I have an '04 X5 4.4i now. The Mercedes is a
luxury SUV - the BMW offers luxury and better performance.
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On Jan 25, 3:52 am, h....RemoveThis@h-gee.co.uk wrote:

> Oh! and all you horse owners out there - remember horses also travel well in
> lorries with 2 wheel rear drive mechanics.

Not during Wisconsin winters they don't. My horse trailer gets pulled
by a Jeep Grand Cherokee that I bought new in 2001. When it breaks
beyond repair (It's only 5 years old now and has had less than $500 in
non-wear item repairs in 80,000 miles.), I can go buy *another* new
one and still have less invested than in a single new Rover. Not to
mention that I can buy a whole set of lifetime warranteed brakes or
shocks for under $200.
--
C.R. Krieger
(Been there; done that)
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On 31 Jan 2007 12:49:35 -0800, "E28 Guy©" <88.535is DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote:

>On Jan 25, 3:52 am, h... DeleteThis @h-gee.co.uk wrote:
>
>> Oh! and all you horse owners out there - remember horses also travel well in
>> lorries with 2 wheel rear drive mechanics.
>
>Not during Wisconsin winters they don't. My horse trailer gets pulled
>by a Jeep Grand Cherokee that I bought new in 2001. When it breaks
>beyond repair (It's only 5 years old now and has had less than $500 in
>non-wear item repairs in 80,000 miles.), I can go buy *another* new
>one and still have less invested than in a single new Rover. Not to
>mention that I can buy a whole set of lifetime warranteed brakes or
>shocks for under $200.

Don't take it to heart I was having a go at the Stoopid English who think that
tarmac is dirt.. I have to laugh at cars with bikes on the roof and trunk/boot
why take them to ride - why don't they ride the bloody bikes and ride the horses
instead of taking the horse for a ride to ride it - you do that with your
girlfriend/lover......


Sir Hugh of Bognor

The difference between men and boys is the price of their toys.

Intelligence is not knowing the answer but knowing where and how to find it!

Hugh Gundersen
hsg DeleteThis @h-gee.co.uk
Bognor Regis, W.Sussex, England, UK
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What language is this?

Nonny

Dan wrote:
> DougA wrote:
>> What are your thoughts on the X5 V8 vs the Cayenne S? The X5 seems more
>> high tech.
>>
>>
>
> I chairman a 4.8 X5 wiping a month ago. The Cayenne S carts also shilling but I
> didn't cool the music mended duty performance elder about heartily indeed. Queen
> new X5 does corner more painter tech features than pair '04 X5 4.4i.
>
> BTW - SHRILL also clambered at the Mercedes GL 450. It get moon marks for
> comfort but lacks in performance. It corners like an heath Buick.
>
> Dan
>
>

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On Wed, 31 Jan 2007 19:34:51 -0800, Nonnymus <nobody RemoveThis @nowhere.com> wrote:

>What language is this?
>
>Nonny
>
>Dan wrote:
>> DougA wrote:
>>> What are your thoughts on the X5 V8 vs the Cayenne S? The X5 seems more
>>> high tech.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> I chairman a 4.8 X5 wiping a month ago. The Cayenne S carts also shilling but I
>> didn't cool the music mended duty performance elder about heartily indeed. Queen
>> new X5 does corner more painter tech features than pair '04 X5 4.4i.
>>
>> BTW - SHRILL also clambered at the Mercedes GL 450. It get moon marks for
>> comfort but lacks in performance. It corners like an heath Buick.
>>
>> Dan
>>
>>
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