ASD relay ?

yes i had a friend turn the key on while i had my fluke meter set to dc to
measure the voltage. it read OL on my meter,which seems strange to me?

"maxpower" <damnnickname.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Randy Pape" <rpape1.TakeThisOut@wi.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:479e704a$0$22823$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>> On my 98 Dodge Stratus, I am not getting voltage back to the fuel pump
> plug,
>> from the power distribution center. When I checked both the fuel pump
>> relay, and ASD relay, they both checked out fine. When I checked for
>> voltage at pin 30, inside the PDC box, for the ASD relay, I got 12 volts.
>> Then at pin 86, for the same relay, I got 12 volts with the key off and I
> am
>> only suppose to get the voltage at that pin when the key is turned on.
>> Is
>> this telling the PCM to turn off the fuel pump and ignition? The car is
>> in
> a
>> no start situation. I am getting spark with my spark tester, but the fuel
>> pump isn't turning on, so this seems like a fuel issue to me now. I
>> can't
>> find anywhere where it talks about having voltage at that ASD when the
>> key
>> is not turned on. Any ideas?
>>
>> Thanks
>> Randy
>>
>>
>
> Keep in mind you only have about 3 sec's of battery voltage at the fuel
> pump
> when the key is turned on. Are you testing this while someone turns the
> key
> on for you while you are at the connector?
>
> Glenn Beasley
> Chrysler Tech
>
>
 >> Stay informed about: ASD relay ? 

On Mon, 28 Jan 2008 18:16:19 -0600, "Randy Pape" <rpape1.DeleteThis@wi.rr.com>
wrote:

>On my 98 Dodge Stratus, I am not getting voltage back to the fuel pump plug,
>from the power distribution center. When I checked both the fuel pump
>relay, and ASD relay, they both checked out fine. When I checked for
>voltage at pin 30, inside the PDC box, for the ASD relay, I got 12 volts.
>Then at pin 86, for the same relay, I got 12 volts with the key off and I am
>only suppose to get the voltage at that pin when the key is turned on. Is
>this telling the PCM to turn off the fuel pump and ignition? The car is in a
>no start situation. I am getting spark with my spark tester, but the fuel
>pump isn't turning on, so this seems like a fuel issue to me now. I can't
>find anywhere where it talks about having voltage at that ASD when the key
>is not turned on. Any ideas?
>
>Thanks
>Randy
>

The ASD relay supplies battery voltage to the ignition coil. If you
have spark, it's working. You need to be looking at the fuel
pump/relay/wiring if the fuel pump's not working.
 >> Stay informed about: ASD relay ? 

I had the same problem on my 98 Sebring with 2.5. Ended up being the ecu
that was fried.

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 >> Stay informed about: ASD relay ? 

Have you checked fault codes before poking around and disconnecting
components? have you sprayed a combustion liquid such as throttle body
cleaner into the throttle body to see if it starts and shuts back down?
Like bllsht said,If you have spark, the ASD is working, check fuel pump
relay. Pin 87 12 volts with key on. Pin 30/35 12 volts all the time.Pin 85
fuel pump control circuit If you ground the fuel control circuit with the
key on and relay connected the pump should kick on, or jump 30/35 with 87
relay out the fuel pump should kick on.

Glenn Beasley
Chrysler Tech

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 >> Stay informed about: ASD relay ? 

Glenn , as you may recall this car has been my nightmare since November.
there is now none or has there ever been any codes with this car . i checked
both relays like you said with power on them, jumpered from the battery and
a ground. then without power on them, checking continuity etc. both relays
checked out fine to me according to my repair manual. i wonder if the PDC
block isn't making a good connection ? my boss said to do the same thing as
you did , grounding out pin 85 ,so I'll try that. i read where the ASD
controls fuel to the injectors and power to the coil etc. is this correct?
have you sprayed a combustion liquid such as throttle body
> cleaner into the throttle body to see if it starts and shuts back down,
> no I'll try this also.
thanks Randy


"damnnickname" <damnnickname.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Have you checked fault codes before poking around and disconnecting
> components? have you sprayed a combustion liquid such as throttle body
> cleaner into the throttle body to see if it starts and shuts back down?
> Like bllsht said,If you have spark, the ASD is working, check fuel pump
> relay. Pin 87 12 volts with key on. Pin 30/35 12 volts all the time.Pin 85
> fuel pump control circuit If you ground the fuel control circuit with the
> key on and relay connected the pump should kick on, or jump 30/35 with 87
> relay out the fuel pump should kick on.
>
> Glenn Beasley
> Chrysler Tech
>
> --
> Message posted using
> http://www.talkaboutautos.com/group/rec.autos.makers.chrysler/
> More information at http://www.talkaboutautos.com/faq.html
>
 >> Stay informed about: ASD relay ? 

well I've realized that the ASD is fine and the fuel relay/circuit is the
issue. it seems that when I check pin86 of the fuel pump relay with the key
on, I get no voltage there. I then went and checked #10 fuse for the coil of
the relay inside the PDC and sometimes I would get the voltage there and
sometimes not. I also noticed when I turned the key on that sometimes all
the lights would come on, on the dash, and sometimes not. could this still
be the PCM? I tried jumping the relay ,per glenns instructions, and the pump
still didn't come on. I also tried to ground pin #85 to no avail. any more
ideas? thanks




"Randy Pape" <rpape1.DeleteThis@wi.rr.com> wrote in message
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> On my 98 Dodge Stratus, I am not getting voltage back to the fuel pump
> plug, from the power distribution center. When I checked both the fuel
> pump relay, and ASD relay, they both checked out fine. When I checked for
> voltage at pin 30, inside the PDC box, for the ASD relay, I got 12 volts.
> Then at pin 86, for the same relay, I got 12 volts with the key off and I
> am only suppose to get the voltage at that pin when the key is turned on.
> Is this telling the PCM to turn off the fuel pump and ignition? The car is
> in a no start situation. I am getting spark with my spark tester, but the
> fuel pump isn't turning on, so this seems like a fuel issue to me now. I
> can't find anywhere where it talks about having voltage at that ASD when
> the key is not turned on. Any ideas?
>
> Thanks
> Randy
>
 >> Stay informed about: ASD relay ? 

"Randy Pape" <rpape1.TakeThisOut@wi.rr.com> wrote in message
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> well I've realized that the ASD is fine and the fuel relay/circuit is the
> issue. it seems that when I check pin86 of the fuel pump relay with the
key
> on, I get no voltage there. I then went and checked #10 fuse for the coil
of
> the relay inside the PDC and sometimes I would get the voltage there and
> sometimes not. I also noticed when I turned the key on that sometimes all
> the lights would come on, on the dash, and sometimes not. could this still
> be the PCM? I tried jumping the relay ,per glenns instructions, and the
pump
> still didn't come on. I also tried to ground pin #85 to no avail. any more
> ideas? thanks
>
>
>
>
> "Randy Pape" <rpape1.TakeThisOut@wi.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:479e704a$0$22823$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
> > On my 98 Dodge Stratus, I am not getting voltage back to the fuel pump
> > plug, from the power distribution center. When I checked both the fuel
> > pump relay, and ASD relay, they both checked out fine. When I checked
for
> > voltage at pin 30, inside the PDC box, for the ASD relay, I got 12
volts.
> > Then at pin 86, for the same relay, I got 12 volts with the key off and
I
> > am only suppose to get the voltage at that pin when the key is turned
on.
> > Is this telling the PCM to turn off the fuel pump and ignition? The car
is
> > in a no start situation. I am getting spark with my spark tester, but
the
> > fuel pump isn't turning on, so this seems like a fuel issue to me now.
I
> > can't find anywhere where it talks about having voltage at that ASD when
> > the key is not turned on. Any ideas?
> >
> > Thanks
> > Randy
> >
>
>
Dumb question here. Did you check all the fuses in the PDC, there are 2
fuses that control the fuel pump relay circuit.# 10 and #8. This is such an
easy circuit and I cant believe you haven't fixed this problem yet.You
mention nothing about spraying throttle body cleaner into the intake to see
if it starts?? You are either not checking the correct wire at the fuel pump
or you have something else wrong with the vehicle. when ever you get around
to spraying the throttle body with throttle body cleaner to verify it is a
fuel problem let me know
 >> Stay informed about: ASD relay ? 

"Randy Pape" <rpape1.DeleteThis@wi.rr.com> wrote in message
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> well I've realized that the ASD is fine and the fuel relay/circuit is the
> issue. it seems that when I check pin86 of the fuel pump relay with the
key
> on, I get no voltage there. I then went and checked #10 fuse for the coil
of
> the relay inside the PDC and sometimes I would get the voltage there and
> sometimes not. I also noticed when I turned the key on that sometimes all
> the lights would come on, on the dash, and sometimes not. could this still
> be the PCM? I tried jumping the relay ,per glenns instructions, and the
pump
> still didn't come on. I also tried to ground pin #85 to no avail. any more
> ideas? thanks
>
>
>
>
> "Randy Pape" <rpape1.DeleteThis@wi.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:479e704a$0$22823$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
> > On my 98 Dodge Stratus, I am not getting voltage back to the fuel pump
> > plug, from the power distribution center. When I checked both the fuel
> > pump relay, and ASD relay, they both checked out fine. When I checked
for
> > voltage at pin 30, inside the PDC box, for the ASD relay, I got 12
volts.
> > Then at pin 86, for the same relay, I got 12 volts with the key off and
I
> > am only suppose to get the voltage at that pin when the key is turned
on.
> > Is this telling the PCM to turn off the fuel pump and ignition? The car
is
> > in a no start situation. I am getting spark with my spark tester, but
the
> > fuel pump isn't turning on, so this seems like a fuel issue to me now.
I
> > can't find anywhere where it talks about having voltage at that ASD when
> > the key is not turned on. Any ideas?
> >
> > Thanks
> > Randy
> >
>
>

Dumb question here. Did you check all the fuses in the PDC, there are 2
fuses that control the fuel pump relay circuit.# 10 and #8. This is such an
easy circuit and I cant believe you haven't fixed this problem yet.You
mention nothing about spraying throttle body cleaner into the intake to see
if it starts?? You are either not checking the correct wire at the fuel pump
or you have something else wrong with the vehicle. when ever you get around
to spraying the throttle body with throttle body cleaner to verify it is a
fuel problem let me know
Is #8 fuse blown?
 >> Stay informed about: ASD relay ? 

no. i don't see the sense in spraying anything in the throttle body if i'm
not getting voltage to the fuel pump. both fuses # 8 & # 10 are ok. i'm in
school for industrial electrician so reading the wiring diagram, testing the
relay's etc. are of no problem to me. i agree this should be very simple to
trace. if no voltage at relay pin 86 in the pdc, then go to the fuses. well
the fuses are good, now what? i pulled the fuses out and checked for voltage
where they go and got voltage where the 20 amp fuse goes, but only sometimes
where the 10 amp one goes,this is with the key turned on it's like it's
sporadic. as far as the fuel pump plug goes, i'm testing the dark
green/white and the black wire on the plug, this is according to the wiring
diagram.
i'm beginning to think there's some intermittent problem with the pcm .

..




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>
> "Randy Pape" <rpape1.DeleteThis@wi.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:47a28d42$0$30256$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>> well I've realized that the ASD is fine and the fuel relay/circuit is the
>> issue. it seems that when I check pin86 of the fuel pump relay with the
> key
>> on, I get no voltage there. I then went and checked #10 fuse for the coil
> of
>> the relay inside the PDC and sometimes I would get the voltage there and
>> sometimes not. I also noticed when I turned the key on that sometimes all
>> the lights would come on, on the dash, and sometimes not. could this
>> still
>> be the PCM? I tried jumping the relay ,per glenns instructions, and the
> pump
>> still didn't come on. I also tried to ground pin #85 to no avail. any
>> more
>> ideas? thanks
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "Randy Pape" <rpape1.DeleteThis@wi.rr.com> wrote in message
>> news:479e704a$0$22823$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>> > On my 98 Dodge Stratus, I am not getting voltage back to the fuel pump
>> > plug, from the power distribution center. When I checked both the fuel
>> > pump relay, and ASD relay, they both checked out fine. When I checked
> for
>> > voltage at pin 30, inside the PDC box, for the ASD relay, I got 12
> volts.
>> > Then at pin 86, for the same relay, I got 12 volts with the key off and
> I
>> > am only suppose to get the voltage at that pin when the key is turned
> on.
>> > Is this telling the PCM to turn off the fuel pump and ignition? The car
> is
>> > in a no start situation. I am getting spark with my spark tester, but
> the
>> > fuel pump isn't turning on, so this seems like a fuel issue to me now.
> I
>> > can't find anywhere where it talks about having voltage at that ASD
>> > when
>> > the key is not turned on. Any ideas?
>> >
>> > Thanks
>> > Randy
>> >
>>
>>
>
> Dumb question here. Did you check all the fuses in the PDC, there are 2
> fuses that control the fuel pump relay circuit.# 10 and #8. This is such
> an
> easy circuit and I cant believe you haven't fixed this problem yet.You
> mention nothing about spraying throttle body cleaner into the intake to
> see
> if it starts?? You are either not checking the correct wire at the fuel
> pump
> or you have something else wrong with the vehicle. when ever you get
> around
> to spraying the throttle body with throttle body cleaner to verify it is a
> fuel problem let me know
> Is #8 fuse blown?
>
>
 >> Stay informed about: ASD relay ? 

"Randy Pape" <rpape1.RemoveThis@wi.rr.com> wrote in message
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> no. i don't see the sense in spraying anything in the throttle body if i'm
> not getting voltage to the fuel pump. both fuses # 8 & # 10 are ok. i'm
in
> school for industrial electrician so reading the wiring diagram, testing
the
> relay's etc. are of no problem to me. i agree this should be very simple
to
> trace. if no voltage at relay pin 86 in the pdc, then go to the fuses.
well
> the fuses are good, now what? i pulled the fuses out and checked for
voltage
> where they go and got voltage where the 20 amp fuse goes, but only
sometimes

The 10 amp is from Ign switch. If you suspect that bad why not supply 12 to
the fuse thru a jumper wire to see if this works, If it does, back track to
the switch. The 12 volts on that fuse has nothing to do with the PCM. The
only thing the PCM does in this circuit is groud the fuel pump relay control
circuit so that the fuel pump relay stays engergized. Thats why I said
ground the control side of the realy to see if it starts. you said it didnt
work so now we can say it isnt the PCM. And it seemed to me that you did all
tests for the fuel pump circuit and all check good...thats why I said spray
something into the throttle body to see if the vehicle starts


> where the 10 amp one goes,this is with the key turned on it's like it's
> sporadic. as far as the fuel pump plug goes, i'm testing the dark
> green/white and the black wire on the plug, this is according to the
wiring
> diagram.
> i'm beginning to think there's some intermittent problem with the pcm .
>
> .
>
>
>
>
> "maxpower" <damnnickname.RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:ROKdnWab5fBA8T7anZ2dnUVZ_h-vnZ2d@comcast.com...
> >
> > "Randy Pape" <rpape1.RemoveThis@wi.rr.com> wrote in message
> > news:47a28d42$0$30256$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
> >> well I've realized that the ASD is fine and the fuel relay/circuit is
the
> >> issue. it seems that when I check pin86 of the fuel pump relay with the
> > key
> >> on, I get no voltage there. I then went and checked #10 fuse for the
coil
> > of
> >> the relay inside the PDC and sometimes I would get the voltage there
and
> >> sometimes not. I also noticed when I turned the key on that sometimes
all
> >> the lights would come on, on the dash, and sometimes not. could this
> >> still
> >> be the PCM? I tried jumping the relay ,per glenns instructions, and the
> > pump
> >> still didn't come on. I also tried to ground pin #85 to no avail. any
> >> more
> >> ideas? thanks
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> "Randy Pape" <rpape1.RemoveThis@wi.rr.com> wrote in message
> >> news:479e704a$0$22823$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
> >> > On my 98 Dodge Stratus, I am not getting voltage back to the fuel
pump
> >> > plug, from the power distribution center. When I checked both the
fuel
> >> > pump relay, and ASD relay, they both checked out fine. When I
checked
> > for
> >> > voltage at pin 30, inside the PDC box, for the ASD relay, I got 12
> > volts.
> >> > Then at pin 86, for the same relay, I got 12 volts with the key off
and
> > I
> >> > am only suppose to get the voltage at that pin when the key is turned
> > on.
> >> > Is this telling the PCM to turn off the fuel pump and ignition? The
car
> > is
> >> > in a no start situation. I am getting spark with my spark tester, but
> > the
> >> > fuel pump isn't turning on, so this seems like a fuel issue to me
now.
> > I
> >> > can't find anywhere where it talks about having voltage at that ASD
> >> > when
> >> > the key is not turned on. Any ideas?
> >> >
> >> > Thanks
> >> > Randy
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >
> > Dumb question here. Did you check all the fuses in the PDC, there are 2
> > fuses that control the fuel pump relay circuit.# 10 and #8. This is such
> > an
> > easy circuit and I cant believe you haven't fixed this problem yet.You
> > mention nothing about spraying throttle body cleaner into the intake to
> > see
> > if it starts?? You are either not checking the correct wire at the fuel
> > pump
> > or you have something else wrong with the vehicle. when ever you get
> > around
> > to spraying the throttle body with throttle body cleaner to verify it is
a
> > fuel problem let me know
> > Is #8 fuse blown?
> >
> >
>
>
 >> Stay informed about: ASD relay ? 

in my wiring diagram for this fuse it shows a dark blue/white wire going to
the fuse and to the pcm and says it is a( fused ign switch out ) when they
show those fuses in the pdc ,they show where one side of each fuse where
they go, what about the other side of them. am I missing something? thanks
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>
> "Randy Pape" <rpape1 RemoveThis @wi.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:47a3a456$0$6117$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>> no. i don't see the sense in spraying anything in the throttle body if
>> i'm
>> not getting voltage to the fuel pump. both fuses # 8 & # 10 are ok. i'm
> in
>> school for industrial electrician so reading the wiring diagram, testing
> the
>> relay's etc. are of no problem to me. i agree this should be very simple
> to
>> trace. if no voltage at relay pin 86 in the pdc, then go to the fuses.
> well
>> the fuses are good, now what? i pulled the fuses out and checked for
> voltage
>> where they go and got voltage where the 20 amp fuse goes, but only
> sometimes
>
> The 10 amp is from Ign switch. If you suspect that bad why not supply 12
> to
> the fuse thru a jumper wire to see if this works, If it does, back track
> to
> the switch. The 12 volts on that fuse has nothing to do with the PCM. The
> only thing the PCM does in this circuit is groud the fuel pump relay
> control
> circuit so that the fuel pump relay stays engergized. Thats why I said
> ground the control side of the realy to see if it starts. you said it
> didnt
> work so now we can say it isnt the PCM. And it seemed to me that you did
> all
> tests for the fuel pump circuit and all check good...thats why I said
> spray
> something into the throttle body to see if the vehicle starts
>
>
>> where the 10 amp one goes,this is with the key turned on it's like it's
>> sporadic. as far as the fuel pump plug goes, i'm testing the dark
>> green/white and the black wire on the plug, this is according to the
> wiring
>> diagram.
>> i'm beginning to think there's some intermittent problem with the pcm .
>>
>> .
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "maxpower" <damnnickname RemoveThis @yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:ROKdnWab5fBA8T7anZ2dnUVZ_h-vnZ2d@comcast.com...
>> >
>> > "Randy Pape" <rpape1 RemoveThis @wi.rr.com> wrote in message
>> > news:47a28d42$0$30256$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>> >> well I've realized that the ASD is fine and the fuel relay/circuit is
> the
>> >> issue. it seems that when I check pin86 of the fuel pump relay with
>> >> the
>> > key
>> >> on, I get no voltage there. I then went and checked #10 fuse for the
> coil
>> > of
>> >> the relay inside the PDC and sometimes I would get the voltage there
> and
>> >> sometimes not. I also noticed when I turned the key on that sometimes
> all
>> >> the lights would come on, on the dash, and sometimes not. could this
>> >> still
>> >> be the PCM? I tried jumping the relay ,per glenns instructions, and
>> >> the
>> > pump
>> >> still didn't come on. I also tried to ground pin #85 to no avail. any
>> >> more
>> >> ideas? thanks
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> "Randy Pape" <rpape1 RemoveThis @wi.rr.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:479e704a$0$22823$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>> >> > On my 98 Dodge Stratus, I am not getting voltage back to the fuel
> pump
>> >> > plug, from the power distribution center. When I checked both the
> fuel
>> >> > pump relay, and ASD relay, they both checked out fine. When I
> checked
>> > for
>> >> > voltage at pin 30, inside the PDC box, for the ASD relay, I got 12
>> > volts.
>> >> > Then at pin 86, for the same relay, I got 12 volts with the key off
> and
>> > I
>> >> > am only suppose to get the voltage at that pin when the key is
>> >> > turned
>> > on.
>> >> > Is this telling the PCM to turn off the fuel pump and ignition? The
> car
>> > is
>> >> > in a no start situation. I am getting spark with my spark tester,
>> >> > but
>> > the
>> >> > fuel pump isn't turning on, so this seems like a fuel issue to me
> now.
>> > I
>> >> > can't find anywhere where it talks about having voltage at that ASD
>> >> > when
>> >> > the key is not turned on. Any ideas?
>> >> >
>> >> > Thanks
>> >> > Randy
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> > Dumb question here. Did you check all the fuses in the PDC, there are 2
>> > fuses that control the fuel pump relay circuit.# 10 and #8. This is
>> > such
>> > an
>> > easy circuit and I cant believe you haven't fixed this problem yet.You
>> > mention nothing about spraying throttle body cleaner into the intake to
>> > see
>> > if it starts?? You are either not checking the correct wire at the fuel
>> > pump
>> > or you have something else wrong with the vehicle. when ever you get
>> > around
>> > to spraying the throttle body with throttle body cleaner to verify it
>> > is
> a
>> > fuel problem let me know
>> > Is #8 fuse blown?
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>
 >> Stay informed about: ASD relay ? 

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> in my wiring diagram for this fuse it shows a dark blue/white wire going
to
> the fuse and to the pcm and says it is a( fused ign switch out ) when
they
> show those fuses in the pdc ,they show where one side of each fuse where
> they go, what about the other side of them. am I missing something? thanks
> "maxpower" <damnnickname.RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:zuCdned_VLSszjnanZ2dnUVZ_jCdnZ2d@comcast.com...
> >
> > "Randy Pape" <rpape1.RemoveThis@wi.rr.com> wrote in message
> > news:47a3a456$0$6117$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
> >> no. i don't see the sense in spraying anything in the throttle body if
> >> i'm
> >> not getting voltage to the fuel pump. both fuses # 8 & # 10 are ok.
i'm
> > in
> >> school for industrial electrician so reading the wiring diagram,
testing
> > the
> >> relay's etc. are of no problem to me. i agree this should be very
simple
> > to
> >> trace. if no voltage at relay pin 86 in the pdc, then go to the fuses.
> > well
> >> the fuses are good, now what? i pulled the fuses out and checked for
> > voltage
> >> where they go and got voltage where the 20 amp fuse goes, but only
> > sometimes
> >
> > The 10 amp is from Ign switch. If you suspect that bad why not supply 12
> > to
> > the fuse thru a jumper wire to see if this works, If it does, back track
> > to
> > the switch. The 12 volts on that fuse has nothing to do with the PCM.
The
> > only thing the PCM does in this circuit is groud the fuel pump relay
> > control
> > circuit so that the fuel pump relay stays engergized. Thats why I said
> > ground the control side of the realy to see if it starts. you said it
> > didnt
> > work so now we can say it isnt the PCM. And it seemed to me that you did
> > all
> > tests for the fuel pump circuit and all check good...thats why I said
> > spray
> > something into the throttle body to see if the vehicle starts
> >
> >
> >> where the 10 amp one goes,this is with the key turned on it's like it's
> >> sporadic. as far as the fuel pump plug goes, i'm testing the dark
> >> green/white and the black wire on the plug, this is according to the
> > wiring
> >> diagram.
> >> i'm beginning to think there's some intermittent problem with the pcm .
> >>
> >> .
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> "maxpower" <damnnickname.RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >> news:ROKdnWab5fBA8T7anZ2dnUVZ_h-vnZ2d@comcast.com...
> >> >
> >> > "Randy Pape" <rpape1.RemoveThis@wi.rr.com> wrote in message
> >> > news:47a28d42$0$30256$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
> >> >> well I've realized that the ASD is fine and the fuel relay/circuit
is
> > the
> >> >> issue. it seems that when I check pin86 of the fuel pump relay with
> >> >> the
> >> > key
> >> >> on, I get no voltage there. I then went and checked #10 fuse for the
> > coil
> >> > of
> >> >> the relay inside the PDC and sometimes I would get the voltage there
> > and
> >> >> sometimes not. I also noticed when I turned the key on that
sometimes
> > all
> >> >> the lights would come on, on the dash, and sometimes not. could this
> >> >> still
> >> >> be the PCM? I tried jumping the relay ,per glenns instructions, and
> >> >> the
> >> > pump
> >> >> still didn't come on. I also tried to ground pin #85 to no avail.
any
> >> >> more
> >> >> ideas? thanks
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> "Randy Pape" <rpape1.RemoveThis@wi.rr.com> wrote in message
> >> >> news:479e704a$0$22823$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
> >> >> > On my 98 Dodge Stratus, I am not getting voltage back to the fuel
> > pump
> >> >> > plug, from the power distribution center. When I checked both the
> > fuel
> >> >> > pump relay, and ASD relay, they both checked out fine. When I
> > checked
> >> > for
> >> >> > voltage at pin 30, inside the PDC box, for the ASD relay, I got 12
> >> > volts.
> >> >> > Then at pin 86, for the same relay, I got 12 volts with the key
off
> > and
> >> > I
> >> >> > am only suppose to get the voltage at that pin when the key is
> >> >> > turned
> >> > on.
> >> >> > Is this telling the PCM to turn off the fuel pump and ignition?
The
> > car
> >> > is
> >> >> > in a no start situation. I am getting spark with my spark tester,
> >> >> > but
> >> > the
> >> >> > fuel pump isn't turning on, so this seems like a fuel issue to me
> > now.
> >> > I
> >> >> > can't find anywhere where it talks about having voltage at that
ASD
> >> >> > when
> >> >> > the key is not turned on. Any ideas?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Thanks
> >> >> > Randy
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> > Dumb question here. Did you check all the fuses in the PDC, there are
2
> >> > fuses that control the fuel pump relay circuit.# 10 and #8. This is
> >> > such
> >> > an
> >> > easy circuit and I cant believe you haven't fixed this problem
yet.You
> >> > mention nothing about spraying throttle body cleaner into the intake
to
> >> > see
> >> > if it starts?? You are either not checking the correct wire at the
fuel
> >> > pump
> >> > or you have something else wrong with the vehicle. when ever you get
> >> > around
> >> > to spraying the throttle body with throttle body cleaner to verify it
> >> > is
> > a
> >> > fuel problem let me know
> >> > Is #8 fuse blown?
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>
The 10 amp is from Ign switch. If you suspect that bad why not supply 12 to
the fuse thru a jumper wire to see if this works, If it does, back track to
the switch. The 12 volts on that fuse has nothing to do with the PCM. The
only thing the PCM does in this circuit is ground the fuel pump relay
control
circuit so that the fuel pump relay stays energized. That's why I said
ground the control side of the relay to see if it starts. you said it didn't
work so now we can say it isn't the PCM. And it seemed to me that you did
all
tests for the fuel pump circuit and all check good...that's why I said spray
something into the throttle body to see if the vehicle starts
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"Randy Pape" <rpape1 RemoveThis @wi.rr.com> wrote in message
news:47a4bc7d$0$1083$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
> in my wiring diagram for this fuse it shows a dark blue/white wire going
to
> the fuse and to the pcm and says it is a( fused ign switch out ) when
they
> show those fuses in the pdc ,they show where one side of each fuse where
> they go, what about the other side of them. am I missing something? thanks
> "maxpower" <damnnickname RemoveThis @yahoo.com> wrote in message


Yes it is a darkblue/white wire coming from the fused igniton switch, this
wire goes to fuel pump relay. In order to make this relay work it has to
have a ground. The ground would be the brown with a light green wire going
from relay to PCM. As I said, if this wire was not grounding out internally
inside the PCM then yes the PCM would be bad. BUT!!! since you said you
grounded the fuel pump relay control wire long ago and the pump did not turn
on that tells me that it is not a PCM problem because you manually grounded
it. Therefore as I stated you either have something else wrong with this
vehicle and It is not fuel related ( and you wont verify this by spraying
something into the throttle body to see if it starts) or you arent doing
something right with the tests. I tried, Good luck



> news:zuCdned_VLSszjnanZ2dnUVZ_jCdnZ2d@comcast.com...
> >
> > "Randy Pape" <rpape1 RemoveThis @wi.rr.com> wrote in message
> > news:47a3a456$0$6117$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
> >> no. i don't see the sense in spraying anything in the throttle body if
> >> i'm
> >> not getting voltage to the fuel pump. both fuses # 8 & # 10 are ok.
i'm
> > in
> >> school for industrial electrician so reading the wiring diagram,
testing
> > the
> >> relay's etc. are of no problem to me. i agree this should be very
simple
> > to
> >> trace. if no voltage at relay pin 86 in the pdc, then go to the fuses.
> > well
> >> the fuses are good, now what? i pulled the fuses out and checked for
> > voltage
> >> where they go and got voltage where the 20 amp fuse goes, but only
> > sometimes
> >
> > The 10 amp is from Ign switch. If you suspect that bad why not supply 12
> > to
> > the fuse thru a jumper wire to see if this works, If it does, back track
> > to
> > the switch. The 12 volts on that fuse has nothing to do with the PCM.
The
> > only thing the PCM does in this circuit is groud the fuel pump relay
> > control
> > circuit so that the fuel pump relay stays engergized. Thats why I said
> > ground the control side of the realy to see if it starts. you said it
> > didnt
> > work so now we can say it isnt the PCM. And it seemed to me that you did
> > all
> > tests for the fuel pump circuit and all check good...thats why I said
> > spray
> > something into the throttle body to see if the vehicle starts
> >
> >
> >> where the 10 amp one goes,this is with the key turned on it's like it's
> >> sporadic. as far as the fuel pump plug goes, i'm testing the dark
> >> green/white and the black wire on the plug, this is according to the
> > wiring
> >> diagram.
> >> i'm beginning to think there's some intermittent problem with the pcm .
> >>
> >> .
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> "maxpower" <damnnickname RemoveThis @yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >> news:ROKdnWab5fBA8T7anZ2dnUVZ_h-vnZ2d@comcast.com...
> >> >
> >> > "Randy Pape" <rpape1 RemoveThis @wi.rr.com> wrote in message
> >> > news:47a28d42$0$30256$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
> >> >> well I've realized that the ASD is fine and the fuel relay/circuit
is
> > the
> >> >> issue. it seems that when I check pin86 of the fuel pump relay with
> >> >> the
> >> > key
> >> >> on, I get no voltage there. I then went and checked #10 fuse for the
> > coil
> >> > of
> >> >> the relay inside the PDC and sometimes I would get the voltage there
> > and
> >> >> sometimes not. I also noticed when I turned the key on that
sometimes
> > all
> >> >> the lights would come on, on the dash, and sometimes not. could this
> >> >> still
> >> >> be the PCM? I tried jumping the relay ,per glenns instructions, and
> >> >> the
> >> > pump
> >> >> still didn't come on. I also tried to ground pin #85 to no avail.
any
> >> >> more
> >> >> ideas? thanks
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> "Randy Pape" <rpape1 RemoveThis @wi.rr.com> wrote in message
> >> >> news:479e704a$0$22823$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
> >> >> > On my 98 Dodge Stratus, I am not getting voltage back to the fuel
> > pump
> >> >> > plug, from the power distribution center. When I checked both the
> > fuel
> >> >> > pump relay, and ASD relay, they both checked out fine. When I
> > checked
> >> > for
> >> >> > voltage at pin 30, inside the PDC box, for the ASD relay, I got 12
> >> > volts.
> >> >> > Then at pin 86, for the same relay, I got 12 volts with the key
off
> > and
> >> > I
> >> >> > am only suppose to get the voltage at that pin when the key is
> >> >> > turned
> >> > on.
> >> >> > Is this telling the PCM to turn off the fuel pump and ignition?
The
> > car
> >> > is
> >> >> > in a no start situation. I am getting spark with my spark tester,
> >> >> > but
> >> > the
> >> >> > fuel pump isn't turning on, so this seems like a fuel issue to me
> > now.
> >> > I
> >> >> > can't find anywhere where it talks about having voltage at that
ASD
> >> >> > when
> >> >> > the key is not turned on. Any ideas?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Thanks
> >> >> > Randy
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> > Dumb question here. Did you check all the fuses in the PDC, there are
2
> >> > fuses that control the fuel pump relay circuit.# 10 and #8. This is
> >> > such
> >> > an
> >> > easy circuit and I cant believe you haven't fixed this problem
yet.You
> >> > mention nothing about spraying throttle body cleaner into the intake
to
> >> > see
> >> > if it starts?? You are either not checking the correct wire at the
fuel
> >> > pump
> >> > or you have something else wrong with the vehicle. when ever you get
> >> > around
> >> > to spraying the throttle body with throttle body cleaner to verify it
> >> > is
> > a
> >> > fuel problem let me know
> >> > Is #8 fuse blown?
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>
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