ABS pedal feel?

On 19 Jan, 09:27, Uncle Ben <b....RemoveThis@greenba.com> wrote:
> On Jan 19, 6:08 am, Uncle Ben <b....RemoveThis@greenba.com> wrote:
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> > On Jan 18, 6:54 pm, "Bonehenge (B A R R Y)"<DwightSchr....RemoveThis@DunderMifflin.com> wrote:
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> > ....
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> > > The goal of ABS is not to stop the car in less distance, but to allow
> > > control as it stops.
>
> > > Once a wheel locks, it has little traction. An anti-lockbrakeallows
> > > you to steer while you stop, but may take more distance to stop you.
>
> > I won't be dogmatic about it, but I don't understand the explanation.
> > How can stopping distance be shorter with less traction?
>
> > Ben
>
> In further reading on the subject I found one case in which ABS takes
> more distance: braking on soft surfaces. Locked wheels push the soft
> material ahead forming a slight barrier. Otherwise, I believe that ABS
> always stops you shorter.
>
> Ben

I don't know how the Sube ABS is going to work in all situations, but
what I have read is that ABS can be fooled, or not do what you think
it would or should. Now it might be in odd situations, like braking
going over a bump, but I have read many say that it does things you
wouldn't want, and Extend braking distance, even on ice, and That's
where I Thought I would want it. Maybe in an ideal situation For It,
it is better, but my instincts tell me I Don't want it, or to be able
to switch it on or off, and if I had a problem where I would have been
better off without it, I would be pissed I didn't do what I'd planned
to. I sure don't feel that confident in it.

VF

On 19 Jan, 17:57, "Blair Baucom" <jbbau... RemoveThis @hotmail.com> wrote:
> Glad to see someone who has actually considered the facts here besides
> myself. There have been many tests done, many posted on the internet about
> stopping distances. I read one of the first, many years ago when BMW
> introduced ABS on cars where a magazine tested the same car with and without
> ABS. All you have to do is look for this information. Lots of tests also
> with the few motorcycles that offer ABS. Look hard enough, and you can read
> about aircraft ABS where it all started.
>
> Measuring stopping distance is not that hard on a given surface.
>
> In the case of snow, dirt, gravel, where all four wheels are on these
> surfaces, ABS can make stopping distances longer. Where I have always liked
> ABS is on mixed surfaces where maybe one or two wheels have good traction,
> and the ABS system can respond only to the wheels that have lost traction.
> Unless you can use fourbrakepedals at the same time, this will be hard for
> any driver to ever achieve.
>
> I am on my 5th ABS equipped vehicle, and the next one will also have ABS.
>
> Blair
>
> "Uncle Ben" <b... RemoveThis @greenba.com> wrote in message
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> news:3208957f-4138-4518-a5d7-86c7915ce5e0@u10g2000prn.googlegroups.com...
> On Jan 19, 6:08 am, Uncle Ben <b... RemoveThis @greenba.com> wrote:
>
> > On Jan 18, 6:54 pm, "Bonehenge (B A R R
> > Y)"<DwightSchr... RemoveThis @DunderMifflin.com> wrote:
>
> > ....
>
> > > The goal of ABS is not to stop the car in less distance, but to allow
> > > control as it stops.
>
> > > Once a wheel locks, it has little traction. An anti-lockbrakeallows
> > > you to steer while you stop, but may take more distance to stop you.
>
> > I won't be dogmatic about it, but I don't understand the explanation.
> > How can stopping distance be shorter with less traction?
>
> > Ben
>
> In further reading on the subject I found one case in which ABS takes
> more distance: braking on soft surfaces. Locked wheels push the soft
> material ahead forming a slight barrier. Otherwise, I believe that ABS
> always stops you shorter.
>
> Ben

Blair,

Have you had situations where you feel the ABS helped you avoid an
accident?
I read that the Ins Institute claims, 50% more likely to roll over,
Because of the
ability to steer when braking. Now, having Never hit anything only
driving Non ABS cars,
I look at the roll over danger more of a danger than steering being an
advantage, and
where I usually drive, there is No place to steer to anyway, and not
hit something, so I'd
want the shortest stopping distance, and I adjust to conditions of
traffic and weather,
which is probably why I haven't hit anything in 45yrs.

I got into an argument with a friend when complaining about how torn
up bumpers get
here in the city, by parallel parkers. The paint was rubber off on the
corner of his bumper
so I made a comment. He Must Hit cars when he pulls out, because he
got Very irate
and told me you Have to hit a car pulling out. I got irate back at him
telling him I Don't,
and can count on one hand how many times I even tapped a bumper. He
called me a liar.
If I tap a car when parking, I feel like an idiot, that I couldn't
judge.
My old Chevy gets the
plastic end caps Peeled back almost every day. I took some mounting
bolts off so they
don't get creased any more than they are, till I can figure how to
secure them to the
metal bumpers. I want to put spikes sticking out. One side of my front
one was always
getting pushed in, and with another
car, I could kick the opposite side, and square it up, with this
Chevy, I need to get
behind the bumper with a 3' long pipe and beat on it with a 5lb hammer
for about 10min
to get the bumper out. I tried slowly ramming it into a bridge
abutment, after bruising
my thigh, and breaking a parking light when kicking it.
I wound up putting pieces of 2x3" between the bumper and the frame
and haven't had to bang it out since.

VF