98 accord needs oil pan

"Joe LaVigne" <jlavigne RemoveThis @hits-buffalo.com> wrote in message
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> Under normal torque, without being cross-threaded, the threads should last
> forever. If they don't, then there is a problem with Honda that needs to
> be fixed.

Actually, I suspect that's the case. Even with careless torque other makes
seem to hold up forever. I don't think I've even seen the subject come up in
other auto fora.

It would make more sense if the annulus the plug screws into were aluminum.
I'm pretty sure it's steel so I don't know what to make of it.

Mike
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Mike, Joe, Jim...I just hope American Honda agrees with you guys (and me!)
The more I think about it, the more aggravated I get with the dealer.
Unusual since this dealer has really taken good care of me service wise...
I'll post again after I hear from the arbitrator.


"Michael Pardee" <michaeltnull.DeleteThis@cybertrails.com> wrote in message
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> "Joe LaVigne" <jlavigne.DeleteThis@hits-buffalo.com> wrote in message
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>
> > Under normal torque, without being cross-threaded, the threads should
last
> > forever. If they don't, then there is a problem with Honda that needs
to
> > be fixed.
>
> Actually, I suspect that's the case. Even with careless torque other makes
> seem to hold up forever. I don't think I've even seen the subject come up
in
> other auto fora.
>
> It would make more sense if the annulus the plug screws into were
aluminum.
> I'm pretty sure it's steel so I don't know what to make of it.
>
> Mike
>
>
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"TeGGeR®" <tegger DeleteThis @tegger.c0m> wrote in
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> "N.E.Ohio Bob" <rgstroud DeleteThis @neo.rr.com> wrote in
> news:455a1e09$0$6937$4c368faf@roadrunner.com:
>
>> jim beam wrote:
>>
>>
>>>> http://www.fumotovalve.com/
>>
>> Fram had something like this for sale many years ago. I bought
>> one, but
>> never installed it. Possibility of a bad outcome scared me too much.
>> bob
>>
>
>
> What scares me more than anything else is that the thing hangs down
> below the oil pan bottom. Can you say "exposed", boys and girls?
>

It wouldn't on my 94 Integra GSR;the oil plug is on the side not the bottom
of the pan.You'd tear up your oil pan (and everything else under your car)
before you got the valve.


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jim beam wrote:
>
> JXStern wrote:
> > On Tue, 14 Nov 2006 09:51:54 +0000 (UTC), Joe LaVigne
> > <jlavigne.RemoveThis@hits-buffalo.com> wrote:
> >> That's the price of dealing with a dealer. You could try talking to the
> >> service manager, to see if he will cut you a break, since the damage was
> >> obviously done by his shop...
> >
> > Dealer swore to me it's natural after ten years or so, ... no?
> >
> > J.
> >
> ten years of what? ten years of over-torque, yes, it'll fail. 10 years
> of correct usage? no.



I have an '82 and '83 Honda Civic and both as far as I can tell have
original oil pans with the correct plug. Oil pan drain plug problems
are not limited to Hondas if my experience counts for anything over the
past forty years...

JT
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TeGGeR® wrote:
>
> What scares me more than anything else is that the thing hangs down
> below the oil pan bottom. Can you say "exposed", boys and girls?
>
> --
> TeGGeR®
>
> The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
> www.tegger.com/hondafaq/

I guess it depends on the model.

I had the same concern when I had one installed in my 98 Civic (because
of negligent service at oil changing places). That is, until you notice
that the plug is behind the pan and that the valve comes at an angle.
Its end is still above the pan bottom, to tear it apart you have to rip
open the pan first.

Serban
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Michael Pardee wrote:
> Actually, I suspect that's the case. Even with careless torque other makes
> seem to hold up forever. I don't think I've even seen the subject come up in
> other auto fora.
>
> Mike

Maybe they did not put in a new aluminum washer and tried to reuse the
old one. This guarantees that they'll have to overtighten it to get
that snug feeling. Cross-threading is probably less an occurence than
careless and cut-the-corners service.

Serban
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Grumpy AuContraire wrote:
>
> jim beam wrote:
>> JXStern wrote:
>>> On Tue, 14 Nov 2006 09:51:54 +0000 (UTC), Joe LaVigne
>>> <jlavigne.TakeThisOut@hits-buffalo.com> wrote:
>>>> That's the price of dealing with a dealer. You could try talking to the
>>>> service manager, to see if he will cut you a break, since the damage was
>>>> obviously done by his shop...
>>> Dealer swore to me it's natural after ten years or so, ... no?
>>>
>>> J.
>>>
>> ten years of what? ten years of over-torque, yes, it'll fail. 10 years
>> of correct usage? no.
>
>
>
> I have an '82 and '83 Honda Civic and both as far as I can tell have
> original oil pans with the correct plug. Oil pan drain plug problems
> are not limited to Hondas if my experience counts for anything over the
> past forty years...
>
> JT

imo, the only thing wrong with the honda plug is that it's got a big
bolt head in a nice accessible position where a knuckle-dragger can go
nuts on it with a long wrench. if they had a 3/8" square socket like
the auto transmissions, i don't think we'd ever see this problem.
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Matthew wrote:
> Mike, Joe, Jim...I just hope American Honda agrees with you guys (and me!)
> The more I think about it, the more aggravated I get with the dealer.
> Unusual since this dealer has really taken good care of me service wise...
> I'll post again after I hear from the arbitrator.

"good service" means never getting to this stage. they should have at
least offered to compromise - if they didn't eat the cost entirely.
it's not worth losing a customer over a $130 part.

>
>
> "Michael Pardee" <michaeltnull DeleteThis @cybertrails.com> wrote in message
> news:6fmdnf_vU74qn8bYnZ2dnUVZ_hydnZ2d@sedona.net...
>> "Joe LaVigne" <jlavigne DeleteThis @hits-buffalo.com> wrote in message
>> news:ejerl2$374$13@news.datemas.de...
>>
>>> Under normal torque, without being cross-threaded, the threads should
> last
>>> forever. If they don't, then there is a problem with Honda that needs
> to
>>> be fixed.
>> Actually, I suspect that's the case. Even with careless torque other makes
>> seem to hold up forever. I don't think I've even seen the subject come up
> in
>> other auto fora.
>>
>> It would make more sense if the annulus the plug screws into were
> aluminum.
>> I'm pretty sure it's steel so I don't know what to make of it.
>>
>> Mike
>>
>>
>
>
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"gigelus2k3" <popescu.serban RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote in
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> TeGGeR® wrote:
>>
>> What scares me more than anything else is that the thing hangs down
>> below the oil pan bottom. Can you say "exposed", boys and girls?
>>
>> --
>> TeGGeR®
>>
>> The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
>> www.tegger.com/hondafaq/
>
> I guess it depends on the model.
>
> I had the same concern when I had one installed in my 98 Civic (because
> of negligent service at oil changing places). That is, until you notice
> that the plug is behind the pan and that the valve comes at an angle.
> Its end is still above the pan bottom, to tear it apart you have to rip
> open the pan first.
>
> Serban
>
>

Makes me wonder if Tegger has ever been under his Integra to change his
oil. (I doubt his VTEC is any different than mine in that respect.)




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Jim Yanik <jyanik.TakeThisOut@abuse.gov> wrote in
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>
> Makes me wonder if Tegger has ever been under his Integra to change
> his oil. (I doubt his VTEC is any different than mine in that
> respect.)
>
>


According to my stats, I've changed my oil myself approximately 95 times
since the warranty ran out in 1994.

(Interesting. In 1994 I paid $7.11 for a gallon of Castrol GTX at K-Mart.
The same stuff is up over $20 in 2006. Wow!)

The drain bolt is barely hidden by the oil pan, maybe 1/4" up from the
lowest point.

From a quick look at the link that was provided of that spigot-thingy, I
couldn't see how it would go on without sticking down below the oil
pan's bottom. If I was wrong, I was wrong. I still won't use those
things.

And I don't have VTEC!


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"TeGGeR®" <tegger.TakeThisOut@tegger.c0m> wrote
> According to my stats, I've changed my oil myself
> approximately 95 times
> since the warranty ran out in 1994.
>
> (Interesting. In 1994 I paid $7.11 for a gallon of Castrol
> GTX at K-Mart.
> The same stuff is up over $20 in 2006. Wow!)

Gotta buy some of that oil stock with the money you save by
doing so much car maintenance yourself. I finally had it
with gas prices and surrendered in September ago, purchasing
my first oil company position.
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TeGGeR® wrote:
> Jim Yanik <jyanik RemoveThis @abuse.gov> wrote in
> news:Xns987CCAC9ABD1Ajyanikkuanet@129.250.170.86:
>
>
> >
> > Makes me wonder if Tegger has ever been under his Integra to change
> > his oil. (I doubt his VTEC is any different than mine in that
> > respect.)
> >
> >
>
>
> According to my stats, I've changed my oil myself approximately 95 times
> since the warranty ran out in 1994.
>
> (Interesting. In 1994 I paid $7.11 for a gallon of Castrol GTX at K-Mart.
> The same stuff is up over $20 in 2006. Wow!)
>
> The drain bolt is barely hidden by the oil pan, maybe 1/4" up from the
> lowest point.
>
> From a quick look at the link that was provided of that spigot-thingy, I
> couldn't see how it would go on without sticking down below the oil
> pan's bottom. If I was wrong, I was wrong. I still won't use those
> things.
>
> And I don't have VTEC!
>
>
> --
> TeGGeR®
>
> The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
> www.tegger.com/hondafaq/

Mite hit a score spot but wallmart sell a five quart container for
under ten bucks GTX
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"Elle" <honda.lioness.RemoveThis@nospam.earthlink.net> wrote in news:ieQ6h.7857
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> "TeGGeR®" <tegger.RemoveThis@tegger.c0m> wrote
>> According to my stats, I've changed my oil myself
>> approximately 95 times
>> since the warranty ran out in 1994.
>>
>> (Interesting. In 1994 I paid $7.11 for a gallon of Castrol
>> GTX at K-Mart.
>> The same stuff is up over $20 in 2006. Wow!)
>
> Gotta buy some of that oil stock with the money you save by
> doing so much car maintenance yourself. I finally had it
> with gas prices and surrendered in September ago, purchasing
> my first oil company position.
>
>
>


Except oil prices are going down now...


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