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(Msg. 1) Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 9:43 am
Post subject: 97 F-150 Heater Core 4 times replaced in 15k miles!
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My Dad has/had a 97 Ford F-150. Approximately two years ago the heater
core went out and he took it to the local Ford dealer and had one
installed to the tune of $750. Two months and 3k miles later it started
leaking again. The dealership redid the job for free. Just a few more
months went by and it did the same thing! This time the service
department was not as friendly, saying that the problem must be
electrolosis and wanting ANOTHER $700 for a wiring harness and heater
core #3. Dad made them guarantee that if it went out again they would
replace it. In June he was diagnosed with lung cancer and while
undergoing testing he noticed that the damn thing was leaking AGAIN! He
took it back to the dealership for a FOURTH TIME while he underwent
surgery. He passed away shortly after the operation and I was left to
pick up his truck. This time there was no charge for core #4. I have
driven it less than 3k miles and ITS LEAKING AGAIN!!!. I saw several
three year old posts in this newsgroup on this subject, but nothing
more up to date. The service manager had suggested to Dad after core #3
that this was an inherent problem and that he should consider trading
it in. I'd like to solve this issue once and for all. Any ideas would
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 11:29 am
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gregpurcell RemoveThis @gregpurcell.com wrote:
> My Dad has/had a 97 Ford F-150. Approximately two years ago the heater
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> pick up his truck. This time there was no charge for core #4. I have
> driven it less than 3k miles and ITS LEAKING AGAIN!!!. I saw several
> three year old posts in this newsgroup on this subject, but nothing
> more up to date. The service manager had suggested to Dad after core #3
> that this was an inherent problem and that he should consider trading
there are testing strips you can get that will tell you the PH of the
coolant as well as the protection levels of it. to be honest, I'm
thinking there may be a bad head gasket or intake manifold gasket
that's allowing combustion gasses to contaminate the coolant. This can
create an imbalance and allow for corrosion to occur. The Odd thing of
your story is that the radiator is working fine, but the heater core
keeps failing. I'd look at where the heater core is failing and see if
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 11:29 am
Post subject: Re: 97 F-150 Heater Core 4 times replaced in 15k miles! [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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gregpurcell.RemoveThis@gregpurcell.com wrote:
> My Dad has/had a 97 Ford F-150. Approximately two years ago the heater
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> pick up his truck. This time there was no charge for core #4. I have
> driven it less than 3k miles and ITS LEAKING AGAIN!!!. I saw several
> three year old posts in this newsgroup on this subject, but nothing
> more up to date. The service manager had suggested to Dad after core #3
> that this was an inherent problem and that he should consider trading
there are testing strips you can get that will tell you the PH of the
coolant as well as the protection levels of it. to be honest, I'm
thinking there may be a bad head gasket or intake manifold gasket
that's allowing combustion gasses to contaminate the coolant. This can
create an imbalance and allow for corrosion to occur. The Odd thing of
your story is that the radiator is working fine, but the heater core
keeps failing. I'd look at where the heater core is failing and see if
it's in the joints. >> Stay informed about: 97 F-150 Heater Core 4 times replaced in 15k miles! |
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 6:03 pm
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 7:57 pm
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On 14 Nov 2006 11:29:27 -0800, "Mike H" <mike8675309.DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote:
>gregpurcell@gregpurcell.com wrote:
>> My Dad has/had a 97 Ford F-150. Approximately two years ago the heater
>...
>> pick up his truck. This time there was no charge for core #4. I have
>> driven it less than 3k miles and ITS LEAKING AGAIN!!!. I saw several
>> three year old posts in this newsgroup on this subject, but nothing
>> more up to date. The service manager had suggested to Dad after core #3
>> that this was an inherent problem and that he should consider trading
>
>
>there are testing strips you can get that will tell you the PH of the
>coolant as well as the protection levels of it. to be honest, I'm
>thinking there may be a bad head gasket or intake manifold gasket
>that's allowing combustion gasses to contaminate the coolant. This can
>create an imbalance and allow for corrosion to occur. The Odd thing of
>your story is that the radiator is working fine, but the heater core
>keeps failing. I'd look at where the heater core is failing and see if
>it's in the joints.
Try this, install a 7 PSI cap and it reduces strain of heater core vs
stock cap. I have used them for many years with a 60/40 coolant mix or
better and never had any heating issues nor lost a heater core yet
even in some very old vehicles (27 year old plus) For that fact, no
leaky radiators either
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 7:57 pm
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On 14 Nov 2006 11:29:27 -0800, "Mike H" <mike8675309 DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote:
>gregpurcell@gregpurcell.com wrote:
>> My Dad has/had a 97 Ford F-150. Approximately two years ago the heater
>...
>> pick up his truck. This time there was no charge for core #4. I have
>> driven it less than 3k miles and ITS LEAKING AGAIN!!!. I saw several
>> three year old posts in this newsgroup on this subject, but nothing
>> more up to date. The service manager had suggested to Dad after core #3
>> that this was an inherent problem and that he should consider trading
>
>
>there are testing strips you can get that will tell you the PH of the
>coolant as well as the protection levels of it. to be honest, I'm
>thinking there may be a bad head gasket or intake manifold gasket
>that's allowing combustion gasses to contaminate the coolant. This can
>create an imbalance and allow for corrosion to occur. The Odd thing of
>your story is that the radiator is working fine, but the heater core
>keeps failing. I'd look at where the heater core is failing and see if
>it's in the joints.
Try this, install a 7 PSI cap and it reduces strain of heater core vs
stock cap. I have used them for many years with a 60/40 coolant mix or
better and never had any heating issues nor lost a heater core yet
even in some very old vehicles (27 year old plus) For that fact, no
leaky radiators either
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 12:07 am
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<gregpurcell DeleteThis @gregpurcell.com> wrote in message
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> My Dad has/had a 97 Ford F-150. Approximately two years ago the heater
> core went out and he took it to the local Ford dealer and had one
> installed to the tune of $750. Two months and 3k miles later it started
> leaking again. The dealership redid the job for free. Just a few more
> months went by and it did the same thing! This time the service
> department was not as friendly, saying that the problem must be
> electrolosis and wanting ANOTHER $700 for a wiring harness and heater
> core #3. Dad made them guarantee that if it went out again they would
> replace it. In June he was diagnosed with lung cancer and while
> undergoing testing he noticed that the damn thing was leaking AGAIN! He
> took it back to the dealership for a FOURTH TIME while he underwent
> surgery. He passed away shortly after the operation and I was left to
> pick up his truck. This time there was no charge for core #4. I have
> driven it less than 3k miles and ITS LEAKING AGAIN!!!. I saw several
> three year old posts in this newsgroup on this subject, but nothing
> more up to date. The service manager had suggested to Dad after core #3
> that this was an inherent problem and that he should consider trading
> it in. I'd like to solve this issue once and for all. Any ideas would
> be appreciated!
>
The core needs to be examined to see if the leak is due to corrosion or some
other form of failure. It would make the solving the problem much easier.
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 12:07 am
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<gregpurcell.TakeThisOut@gregpurcell.com> wrote in message
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> My Dad has/had a 97 Ford F-150. Approximately two years ago the heater
> core went out and he took it to the local Ford dealer and had one
> installed to the tune of $750. Two months and 3k miles later it started
> leaking again. The dealership redid the job for free. Just a few more
> months went by and it did the same thing! This time the service
> department was not as friendly, saying that the problem must be
> electrolosis and wanting ANOTHER $700 for a wiring harness and heater
> core #3. Dad made them guarantee that if it went out again they would
> replace it. In June he was diagnosed with lung cancer and while
> undergoing testing he noticed that the damn thing was leaking AGAIN! He
> took it back to the dealership for a FOURTH TIME while he underwent
> surgery. He passed away shortly after the operation and I was left to
> pick up his truck. This time there was no charge for core #4. I have
> driven it less than 3k miles and ITS LEAKING AGAIN!!!. I saw several
> three year old posts in this newsgroup on this subject, but nothing
> more up to date. The service manager had suggested to Dad after core #3
> that this was an inherent problem and that he should consider trading
> it in. I'd like to solve this issue once and for all. Any ideas would
> be appreciated!
>
The core needs to be examined to see if the leak is due to corrosion or some
other form of failure. It would make the solving the problem much easier.
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 12:41 am
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In article <10764-455A4B47-71 DeleteThis @storefull-3253.bay.webtv.net>, ds549
@webtv.net says...
> there is a tsb on that. run a wire from neg batt terminal post to
> metal on the radiator or heater core.
>
> http://www.minibite.com/america/malone.htm
Correct! "TBS 01-15-6 Climate Control - Repeat Heater Core Failure"
The "wiring harness" they put on may not be making good contact.
Electrolysis is still the problem.
In article <no7kl2df3auqkqcqmcv0d018altr74hdih DeleteThis @4ax.com>,
admin DeleteThis @snoman.com says...
> Try this, install a 7 PSI cap and it reduces strain of heater core vs
> stock cap. I have used them for many years
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 9:57 am
Post subject: Re: 97 F-150 Heater Core 4 times replaced in 15k miles! (Greg) [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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>Correct! "TBS 01-15-6 Climate Control -
> Repeat Heater Core Failure" The "wiring
> harness" they put on may not be making
> good contact. Electrolysis is still the
> problem.
A TSB having been published that long ago. lays the Dealer at fault.
You might want to have a 'talk' with the Manager of the Service Dept!
The conversation might include words like; 'lawyer' 'lawsuit' 'judge'
'court' 'bad publicity' 'newspaper'.....The way I see it is that you
were defrauded because of the Dealers' incompetance. Raise hell!
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2006 2:15 pm
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putt.RemoveThis@webtv.net wrote:
> >Correct! "TBS 01-15-6 Climate Control -
> > Repeat Heater Core Failure" The "wiring
> > harness" they put on may not be making
> > good contact. Electrolysis is still the
> > problem.
>
> A TSB having been published that long ago. lays the Dealer at fault.
> You might want to have a 'talk' with the Manager of the Service Dept!
> The conversation might include words like; 'lawyer' 'lawsuit' 'judge'
> 'court' 'bad publicity' 'newspaper'.....The way I see it is that you
> were defrauded because of the Dealers' incompetance. Raise hell!
>
> Dave S(Texas)
The TSB ground wire was attached with core #3 and the new wiring
harness. Also a lower pressure cap. Since Dad's death I have not put 2k
miles on core #4. Obviously the dealer in question is incapible of
getting it right, and since it's an all day labor job, they are tired
of replacing it too. I have heard that using an aftermarket core
instead of the Ford piece might be useful also. Thanks for all the
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2006 4:45 pm
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I have no idea what your problem is, but my expereince is that your FIRST
heater core should just now be starting to go. Without knowing anything
about you or where you live, but knowing how long stuff lasts around here, I
see no problem getting upwards of 10 years out of a heater core.
<gregpurcell.DeleteThis@gregpurcell.com> wrote in message
news:1163526234.124500.15590@f16g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> My Dad has/had a 97 Ford F-150. Approximately two years ago the heater
> core went out and he took it to the local Ford dealer and had one
> installed to the tune of $750. Two months and 3k miles later it started
> leaking again. The dealership redid the job for free. Just a few more
> months went by and it did the same thing! This time the service
> department was not as friendly, saying that the problem must be
> electrolosis and wanting ANOTHER $700 for a wiring harness and heater
> core #3. Dad made them guarantee that if it went out again they would
> replace it. In June he was diagnosed with lung cancer and while
> undergoing testing he noticed that the damn thing was leaking AGAIN! He
> took it back to the dealership for a FOURTH TIME while he underwent
> surgery. He passed away shortly after the operation and I was left to
> pick up his truck. This time there was no charge for core #4. I have
> driven it less than 3k miles and ITS LEAKING AGAIN!!!. I saw several
> three year old posts in this newsgroup on this subject, but nothing
> more up to date. The service manager had suggested to Dad after core #3
> that this was an inherent problem and that he should consider trading
> it in. I'd like to solve this issue once and for all. Any ideas would
> be appreciated!
> >> Stay informed about: 97 F-150 Heater Core 4 times replaced in 15k miles! |
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(Msg. 13) Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2006 4:45 pm
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I have no idea what your problem is, but my expereince is that your FIRST
heater core should just now be starting to go. Without knowing anything
about you or where you live, but knowing how long stuff lasts around here, I
see no problem getting upwards of 10 years out of a heater core.
<gregpurcell DeleteThis @gregpurcell.com> wrote in message
news:1163526234.124500.15590@f16g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> My Dad has/had a 97 Ford F-150. Approximately two years ago the heater
> core went out and he took it to the local Ford dealer and had one
> installed to the tune of $750. Two months and 3k miles later it started
> leaking again. The dealership redid the job for free. Just a few more
> months went by and it did the same thing! This time the service
> department was not as friendly, saying that the problem must be
> electrolosis and wanting ANOTHER $700 for a wiring harness and heater
> core #3. Dad made them guarantee that if it went out again they would
> replace it. In June he was diagnosed with lung cancer and while
> undergoing testing he noticed that the damn thing was leaking AGAIN! He
> took it back to the dealership for a FOURTH TIME while he underwent
> surgery. He passed away shortly after the operation and I was left to
> pick up his truck. This time there was no charge for core #4. I have
> driven it less than 3k miles and ITS LEAKING AGAIN!!!. I saw several
> three year old posts in this newsgroup on this subject, but nothing
> more up to date. The service manager had suggested to Dad after core #3
> that this was an inherent problem and that he should consider trading
> it in. I'd like to solve this issue once and for all. Any ideas would
> be appreciated!
> >> Stay informed about: 97 F-150 Heater Core 4 times replaced in 15k miles! |
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(Msg. 14) Posted: Fri Nov 17, 2006 8:33 am
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>The TSB ground wire was attached with
> core #3 and the new wiring harness.
> Also a lower pressure cap. Since Dad's
> death I have not put 2k miles on core
> #4. Obviously the dealer in question is
> incapible of getting it right, and since it's
> an all day labor job, they are tired of
> replacing it too. I have heard that using
> an aftermarket core instead of the Ford
> piece might be useful also
Well if that ground wire was properly attached, then I suspect cooling
system maintenance. My truck is an '81F100 that I bought new. The OEM
core lasted 11yrs. I replaced it with a well know brand name core. It
lasted 10yrs and was again replaced. The truck has 300K miles on it now
and I'm looking at another 5-7 yrs to the next replacement time. I
back-flush and replace coolant every two years....religiously. If the
cooling system was properly maintained and the ground wire_is_properly
attached, then the only thing left is.....water! Try using distilled
water instead of 'hose' water. All these 50/50 premixed coolants use
distilled water. I've never used the premixed type and don't intend to,
but since distilled water is 'inactive', it's something you might
consider using in your system.
Hope this is of some use....
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(Msg. 15) Posted: Fri Nov 17, 2006 8:40 pm
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putt DeleteThis @webtv.net wrote:
> >The TSB ground wire was attached with
> > core #3 and the new wiring harness.
> > Also a lower pressure cap. Since Dad's
> > death I have not put 2k miles on core
> > #4. Obviously the dealer in question is
> > incapible of getting it right, and since it's
> > an all day labor job, they are tired of
> > replacing it too. I have heard that using
> > an aftermarket core instead of the Ford
> > piece might be useful also
>
> Well if that ground wire was properly attached, then I suspect cooling
> system maintenance. My truck is an '81F100 that I bought new. The OEM
> core lasted 11yrs. I replaced it with a well know brand name core. It
> lasted 10yrs and was again replaced. The truck has 300K miles on it now
> and I'm looking at another 5-7 yrs to the next replacement time. I
> back-flush and replace coolant every two years....religiously. If the
> cooling system was properly maintained and the ground wire_is_properly
> attached, then the only thing left is.....water! Try using distilled
> water instead of 'hose' water. All these 50/50 premixed coolants use
> distilled water. I've never used the premixed type and don't intend to,
> but since distilled water is 'inactive', it's something you might
> consider using in your system.
> Hope this is of some use....
>
> Dave S(Texas) >> Stay informed about: 97 F-150 Heater Core 4 times replaced in 15k miles! |
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