'96 Caravan blower issue

In article <479bd5e4$0$12563$88260bb3@free.teranews.com>,
"Larry Crites" <larry_a_crites.DeleteThis@msn.com> wrote:

> And what does that have to do with bearings freezing up?
>
> Larry

Exactly.
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In article <akpnp3pcg6rsh3ukdeu1p5o83bbdscha1s RemoveThis @4ax.com>,
daytripper <day_trippr RemoveThis @REMOVEyahoo.com> wrote:

> On Sat, 26 Jan 2008 18:51:26 -0600, aarcuda69062 <nonelson RemoveThis @sbcglobal.net>
> wrote:
>
> >In article <jtelp35juth5r0bb1tfu9f810jijl0jt3e RemoveThis @4ax.com>,
> > daytripper <day_trippr RemoveThis @REMOVEyahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 21:51:57 -0600, aarcuda69062 <nonelson RemoveThis @sbcglobal.net>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >In article <262lp3hv65cirqr30sueuemcu9b45vb0ug RemoveThis @4ax.com>,
> >> > daytripper <day_trippr RemoveThis @REMOVEyahoo.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 17:44:42 -0600, aarcuda69062
> >> >> <nonelson RemoveThis @sbcglobal.net>
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >In article <4799788d$0$21171$88260bb3@free.teranews.com>,
> >> >> > "Larry Crites" <larry_a_crites RemoveThis @msn.com> wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> And if you replace it and it goes out again you need a new blower
> >> >> >> motor.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Larry
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Failed blower motors tend to not work well at high speed.
> >> >> >Not what the OP described.
> >> >>
> >> >> Think.
> >> >>
> >> >> What Max is saying is the thing that can croak the resistor module is a
> >> >> failing blower motor. For instance, if one of the armature windings is
> >> >> shorted...
> >> >
> >> >I don't think Max said that.
> >>
> >> Really? Then what do *you* think he meant when he said:
> >>
> >> "And if you replace it and it goes out again you need a new blower motor."
> >> ??
> >
> >I *think* he meant wait and see if the resistor fails again
> >before you waste $200 on a new blower motor considering that the
> >original resistors tend to be failure prone.
> >
> >Still don't see anything like; the thing that can croak the
> >resistor module is a failing blower motor. For instance, if one
> >of the armature windings is shorted...
>
> Ok, you have a reading comprehension problem. Sorry...

No, I just don't see things that aren't there.
 >> Stay informed about: '96 Caravan blower issue 

In article <copnp399hdvb8l5p8k8lieapi3id5c7arm DeleteThis @4ax.com>,
daytripper <day_trippr DeleteThis @REMOVEyahoo.com> wrote:

> On Sat, 26 Jan 2008 18:42:26 -0700, "Larry Crites" <larry_a_crites DeleteThis @msn.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >"aarcuda69062" <nonelson DeleteThis @sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
> >news:nonelson-C0FD89.18532826012008@news.chi.sbcglobal.net...
> >: In article <479b8b57$0$26009$88260bb3@free.teranews.com>,
> >: "Larry Crites" <larry_a_crites DeleteThis @msn.com> wrote:
> >:
> >: > In my Intrepid, the blower worked on high only. Replaced the resistor
> >: > and got one day out of it. Blower worked on high only. Replaced blower
> >: > motor assembly and resistor and it's been working great ever since.
> >: > Bearings
> >:> were going bad.
> >: >
> >: > Larry
> >:
> >: I'll keep that in mind if a 96 Caravan ever morphs into an
> >: Intrepid.
> >
> >And what does that have to do with bearings freezing up?
> >
> >Larry
>
> No worries - he clearly has comprehension issues that nobody here is going to
> solve for him...

You two crack me up.

Since Larry had a car that had worn blower motor bearings, all
blower problems -must- be identical and related to worn motor
bearings.
Larry now claims that the bearings in the blower motor froze up.
One would *think* (there's that word again) that "freezing up"
bearings would manifest themselves as reduced blower speed on
high setting.

Gaytripper, I didn't disagree with what Max said, on the other
hand, Max didn't exactly condemn the blower motor from the get
go, and for very good reason.

Obviously neither one of you is a professional so shotgunning
every possible related part at the problem is part and parcel.

I also strongly suspect neither one of you or the OP have the
necessary equipment to determine the health of the blower motor
and as such, the appropriate action for the OP is to replace the
blower resistor.
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On Sat, 26 Jan 2008 22:04:53 -0600, aarcuda69062 <nonelson RemoveThis @sbcglobal.net>
wrote:

>In article <akpnp3pcg6rsh3ukdeu1p5o83bbdscha1s RemoveThis @4ax.com>,
> daytripper <day_trippr RemoveThis @REMOVEyahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 26 Jan 2008 18:51:26 -0600, aarcuda69062 <nonelson RemoveThis @sbcglobal.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >In article <jtelp35juth5r0bb1tfu9f810jijl0jt3e RemoveThis @4ax.com>,
>> > daytripper <day_trippr RemoveThis @REMOVEyahoo.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 21:51:57 -0600, aarcuda69062 <nonelson RemoveThis @sbcglobal.net>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >In article <262lp3hv65cirqr30sueuemcu9b45vb0ug RemoveThis @4ax.com>,
>> >> > daytripper <day_trippr RemoveThis @REMOVEyahoo.com> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 17:44:42 -0600, aarcuda69062
>> >> >> <nonelson RemoveThis @sbcglobal.net>
>> >> >> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >In article <4799788d$0$21171$88260bb3@free.teranews.com>,
>> >> >> > "Larry Crites" <larry_a_crites RemoveThis @msn.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> And if you replace it and it goes out again you need a new blower
>> >> >> >> motor.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Larry
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Failed blower motors tend to not work well at high speed.
>> >> >> >Not what the OP described.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Think.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> What Max is saying is the thing that can croak the resistor module is a
>> >> >> failing blower motor. For instance, if one of the armature windings is
>> >> >> shorted...
>> >> >
>> >> >I don't think Max said that.
>> >>
>> >> Really? Then what do *you* think he meant when he said:
>> >>
>> >> "And if you replace it and it goes out again you need a new blower motor."
>> >> ??
>> >
>> >I *think* he meant wait and see if the resistor fails again
>> >before you waste $200 on a new blower motor considering that the
>> >original resistors tend to be failure prone.
>> >
>> >Still don't see anything like; the thing that can croak the
>> >resistor module is a failing blower motor. For instance, if one
>> >of the armature windings is shorted...
>>
>> Ok, you have a reading comprehension problem. Sorry...
>
>No, I just don't see things that aren't there.

It was right there in front of your face, son.
Still is...
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In article <cc1op3tn3953pfgn5065pcfi02lv7qi1d1.RemoveThis@4ax.com>,
daytripper <day_trippr.RemoveThis@REMOVEyahoo.com> wrote:

> On Sat, 26 Jan 2008 22:04:53 -0600, aarcuda69062 <nonelson.RemoveThis@sbcglobal.net>
> wrote:
>
> >In article <akpnp3pcg6rsh3ukdeu1p5o83bbdscha1s.RemoveThis@4ax.com>,
> > daytripper <day_trippr.RemoveThis@REMOVEyahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On Sat, 26 Jan 2008 18:51:26 -0600, aarcuda69062 <nonelson.RemoveThis@sbcglobal.net>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >In article <jtelp35juth5r0bb1tfu9f810jijl0jt3e.RemoveThis@4ax.com>,
> >> > daytripper <day_trippr.RemoveThis@REMOVEyahoo.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 21:51:57 -0600, aarcuda69062
> >> >> <nonelson.RemoveThis@sbcglobal.net>
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >In article <262lp3hv65cirqr30sueuemcu9b45vb0ug.RemoveThis@4ax.com>,
> >> >> > daytripper <day_trippr.RemoveThis@REMOVEyahoo.com> wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 17:44:42 -0600, aarcuda69062
> >> >> >> <nonelson.RemoveThis@sbcglobal.net>
> >> >> >> wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >In article <4799788d$0$21171$88260bb3@free.teranews.com>,
> >> >> >> > "Larry Crites" <larry_a_crites.RemoveThis@msn.com> wrote:
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> And if you replace it and it goes out again you need a new blower
> >> >> >> >> motor.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> Larry
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >Failed blower motors tend to not work well at high speed.
> >> >> >> >Not what the OP described.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Think.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> What Max is saying is the thing that can croak the resistor module
> >> >> >> is a
> >> >> >> failing blower motor. For instance, if one of the armature windings
> >> >> >> is
> >> >> >> shorted...
> >> >> >
> >> >> >I don't think Max said that.
> >> >>
> >> >> Really? Then what do *you* think he meant when he said:
> >> >>
> >> >> "And if you replace it and it goes out again you need a new blower
> >> >> motor."
> >> >> ??
> >> >
> >> >I *think* he meant wait and see if the resistor fails again
> >> >before you waste $200 on a new blower motor considering that the
> >> >original resistors tend to be failure prone.
> >> >
> >> >Still don't see anything like; the thing that can croak the
> >> >resistor module is a failing blower motor. For instance, if one
> >> >of the armature windings is shorted...
> >>
> >> Ok, you have a reading comprehension problem. Sorry...
> >
> >No, I just don't see things that aren't there.
>
> It was right there in front of your face, son.
> Still is...

Nope. Don't see where Max used the words "croak", "resistor
module", "for instance", "armature", "shorted".
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Well, obviously you missed all the points being made. And as far as being a
professional? Went to school for it (MoTech, know who they were?). I may be
"old school" and I don't do it for a living anymore, but mechanical
principles are still the same. Bearings start getting "stiff" (freezing up),
motor starts drawing more current. That burns out that little electrical
component on the resistor block (if you've ever looked at one, you would
know what it is). "In my Intrepid..." was an "EXAMPLE" of "MY" experience.
Considering, when it first went out, I asked about it here, and Glenn and
Bill told me what it was. When it went out again, I used correct
troubleshooting techniques to determine why the resistor was going out.

Larry

"aarcuda69062" <nonelson RemoveThis @sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:nonelson-60AE99.22251926012008@news.chi.sbcglobal.net...
: In article <copnp399hdvb8l5p8k8lieapi3id5c7arm RemoveThis @4ax.com>,
: daytripper <day_trippr RemoveThis @REMOVEyahoo.com> wrote:
:
: > On Sat, 26 Jan 2008 18:42:26 -0700, "Larry Crites"
<larry_a_crites RemoveThis @msn.com>
: > wrote:
: > >
: > >"aarcuda69062" <nonelson RemoveThis @sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
: > >news:nonelson-C0FD89.18532826012008@news.chi.sbcglobal.net...
: > >: In article <479b8b57$0$26009$88260bb3@free.teranews.com>,
: > >: "Larry Crites" <larry_a_crites RemoveThis @msn.com> wrote:
: > >:
: > >: > In my Intrepid, the blower worked on high only. Replaced the
resistor
: > >: > and got one day out of it. Blower worked on high only. Replaced
blower
: > >: > motor assembly and resistor and it's been working great ever since.
: > >: > Bearings
: > >:> were going bad.
: > >: >
: > >: > Larry
: > >:
: > >: I'll keep that in mind if a 96 Caravan ever morphs into an
: > >: Intrepid.
: > >
: > >And what does that have to do with bearings freezing up?
: > >
: > >Larry
: >
: > No worries - he clearly has comprehension issues that nobody here is
going to
: > solve for him...
:
: You two crack me up.
:
: Since Larry had a car that had worn blower motor bearings, all
: blower problems -must- be identical and related to worn motor
: bearings.
: Larry now claims that the bearings in the blower motor froze up.
: One would *think* (there's that word again) that "freezing up"
: bearings would manifest themselves as reduced blower speed on
: high setting.
:
: Gaytripper, I didn't disagree with what Max said, on the other
: hand, Max didn't exactly condemn the blower motor from the get
: go, and for very good reason.
:
: Obviously neither one of you is a professional so shotgunning
: every possible related part at the problem is part and parcel.
:
: I also strongly suspect neither one of you or the OP have the
: necessary equipment to determine the health of the blower motor
: and as such, the appropriate action for the OP is to replace the
: blower resistor.



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In article <479cd6a4$0$26002$88260bb3@free.teranews.com>,
"Larry Crites" <larry_a_crites DeleteThis @msn.com> wrote:

> Well, obviously you missed all the points being made.

Nope, didn't miss any points being made.
Didn't miss any invented statement either.

> And as far as being a
> professional? Went to school for it (MoTech, know who they were?).

Were? As in no longer?

> I may be "old school" and I don't do it for a living anymore, but mechanical
> principles are still the same.

"Don't do it for a living anymore."
The reasons are obvious.

> Bearings start getting "stiff" (freezing up),
> motor starts drawing more current.

Do ya *think* the motor slows down during these events?
Didn't MoTech teach you to use your ears?
As for the using more current... Didn't MoTech teach you to use
an amp meter?

> That burns out that little electrical
> component on the resistor block (if you've ever looked at one, you would
> know what it is).

It's a thermal limiter and now *you* know what it is also.
I would also point out that the thermal limiter is not used in
all models or in all years, it may eventually become part of the
component in an upgrade of the part, it may be deleted in an
upgrade of the part.

> "In my Intrepid..." was an "EXAMPLE" of "MY" experience.

And you felt compelled to tell a story about it even though your
second generation Intrepid has little in common with a 96 Caravan.

Yes Larry, sometimes the blower motor causes the resistor
failure, like in 1 out of 25 resistor failures. The fact that
the part number has superseded so many times bears this out.

> Considering, when it first went out, I asked about it here, and Glenn and
> Bill told me what it was. When it went out again, I used correct
> troubleshooting techniques to determine why the resistor was going out.

For someone who attended Motech, you sure need a lot of outside
help.
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As I said, "old school". I went over thirty years ago. I'm not "up to date"
on the newer electronics and technology in today's vehicles. That's why I
ask here about my Intrepid. My old big block B body cars, I can take care of
myself without help. The dealership I worked for (over 29 years ago) had
their four "favorites" that made all the money, the rest of us got per hour.
I left and went into electronics for the Federal Government. I can work on
old Mopars, but sometimes I need help with these newer engines and all of
their sensors, codes, etc.

Larry

"Comboverfish" <comboverfish.RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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So, given your hoity toity credentials, why did you ask --on a
newsgroup-- a question about your *own* car's repair?



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On Jan 28, 12:38 am, "Larry" <atlasbuggedbys....DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote:
> As I said, "old school". I went over thirty years ago.

I took that into consideration before replying. It did seem like you
were touting your credentials as if they validated your diagnosis of
the OP's complaint, so I found the two concepts to be contradictory to
one another.

> I'm not "up to date"
> on the newer electronics and technology in today's vehicles. That's why I
> ask here about my Intrepid.

This is where I'm confused. Has the testing of voltage, resistance,
and DC motors changed in 30 years? That would be surprising to find
out, but I was diagnosing Chutes n' Ladders 30 years ago so anything
is possible.

> My old big block B body cars, I can take care of
> myself without help. The dealership I worked for (over 29 years ago) had
> their four "favorites" that made all the money, the rest of us got per hour.

Things haven't changed much RE: favorites.

I left and went into electronics for the Federal Government. I can
work on
> old Mopars, but sometimes I need help with these newer engines and all of
> their sensors, codes, etc.

'Etc' as in resistor blocks? What did the government use to drop
current to a DC load?

Toyota MDT in MO

> "Comboverfish" <comboverf....DeleteThis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:032398f6-9862-41b1-8fd8-2b4212e30c96@e10g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>
> So, given your hoity toity credentials, why did you ask --on a
> newsgroup-- a question about your *own* car's repair?
>
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Relpaced the resistor Monday afternoon, still seems to be working OK. Thanks
all for the advice.
 >> Stay informed about: '96 Caravan blower issue 

This is interesting because my 99 Ram VAn blower is doing the same
thing. Unless somone says otherwise I'll assume it's fixed the same way.
Mine went out in very cold weather also.





no.RemoveThis@email.com wrote:

> Relpaced the resistor Monday afternoon, still seems to be working OK. Thanks
> all for the advice.
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I jumped the gun on this call, apparently. Symptoms have resumed. Is the
blower motor next on the list?
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On Fri, 01 Feb 2008 01:40:56 GMT, no DeleteThis @email.com wrote:

>I jumped the gun on this call, apparently. Symptoms have resumed. Is the
>blower motor next on the list?

Yup, that would be next in the logical progression, as was previously
mentioned here...
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