91 Grand Prix

"rEjecthead" wrote in message
> The car (will from this point on, be referred to as "The Bitch") was
> having some trouble starting. It would start then other times,
> absolutley nothing. No noise, just a click. My stepdad took it as the
> starter so we replaced that.

The starter apparently worked for you. I assume the battery and the
battery cables, connection are also good.

The starter has nothing at all to do with the idle speed. At least you
got it started.

We will assume that this car has some sort of GM engine, although we
are a bit in the dark about what it might be.

Maybe you will enlighten us with the pedigree of Ms Bitch, and we can
see if we can go further.
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"rEjecthead" wrote in message

>I have ZERO car knowledge. Let's just get that out of the way.
>
> The car (will from this point on, be referred to as "The Bitch") was
> having some trouble starting. It would start then other times,
> absolutley nothing. No noise, just a click. My stepdad took it as the
> starter so we replaced that. After changing the starter, the car now
> idles extremely low and stalls at nearly every stop. So I got in and
> gave the idle a quarter turn to try to keep it up. Clearly that wasn't
> the problem, any help on this one?

I assume that while replacing the starter, your stepdad unhooked the
battery? If so, give your car a few days for the computer to 'relearn' what
RPM's is needed to keep the car running. The longest it ever took my 91
Grand Prix was a few days. Just keep driving it until it re-sets.
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"80 Knight" wrote in message


> I assume that while replacing the starter, your stepdad unhooked the
> battery? If so, give your car a few days for the computer to 'relearn'
what
> RPM's is needed to keep the car running. The longest it ever took my 91
> Grand Prix was a few days. Just keep driving it until it re-sets.

Right on, Knight. That may solve all his problems...
well, at least his Bitch problems;>)
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>
> "80 Knight" wrote in message
>
>
>> I assume that while replacing the starter, your stepdad unhooked the
>> battery? If so, give your car a few days for the computer to 'relearn'
> what
>> RPM's is needed to keep the car running. The longest it ever took my 91
>> Grand Prix was a few days. Just keep driving it until it re-sets.
>
> Right on, Knight. That may solve all his problems...
> well, at least his Bitch problems;>)

I loved my Grand Prix, but at times I called it things much worse then
'bitch'
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How does somebody with Zero Knowledge of cars " Up " the idle on a car
with a Zero adjust idle that's controlled by the ECM?

Good Luck !

harryface
05 Park Avenue 49,089
91 Bonneville 307,322
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Harryface9105.TakeThisOut@webtv.net (Harry Face) wrote in
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> How does somebody with Zero Knowledge of cars " Up " the idle on a car
> with a Zero adjust idle that's controlled by the ECM?
>
> Good Luck !
>
> harryface
> 05 Park Avenue 49,089
> 91 Bonneville 307,322



Wow, Harry, you have an '05 car with 50K on it already? Our '05 Kia
Sedona only has 10K miles on it. Our '99 Olds 88 has 47K miles.
Traveling salesman? You should start a taxi service with the Bonneville
(or sign on with a taxi referral service). Get it up to a million
miles. It'd need maybe 2 overhauls to get to a million but doable. I
just read an article about a Greek independent taxi driver who put 2.8
million miles on a 1976 Mercedes 240D (diesel 4 clyinder). He bought
the car in 1981 with 300,000 miles on it, and it was in constant 24/7
use for 24 years. He went through about 4 engines (he kept a rebuilt
engine on hand). He just donated it to the Mercedes museum. Looks
pretty good still -- a few dings here and there.

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Grappletech,

The Park Avenue had 13,000 on it when I bought it in May of 05. The car
was built in June of 04. I'm semi retired / on the loaf / not working /
unemployed, call it what you want, but I travel alot on far away trips.
I've actually been out of state the last four weekends in a row, all 800
mile + trips. Got a Ohio trip planned this weekend which will be another
750 miles.
50,000 will be here within two weeks.

Not much plane travel for me if I can avoid it. I may drive the Buick to
California next year. Before I bought the Buick I was averaging 23,000 +
miles a year on the Bonneville. The biggest year was 2002 @ 34,000 miles
exactly. I owned an 89' Z-24 convertible from 96 - 00, so that cut down
on miles added to the Bonneville. I put slightly over 50,000 on the Z,
which was only driven in the summer, and maybe once a month in the
winter months, if there wasn't any road salt out and it was dry.

The Bonneville has a knock in the engine.
It started back in April.
One goodwrench said he thought it was the balance shaft - another one
though it sounded like a piston hitting the valve.
The original master cylinder is getting weak and the suspension has its
jolts every now & then.

Despite all the miles it still runs well, motor starts on 2 when you
count 1,2,3. The AC died in late 2004 as did a rear speaker. Got great
heat from the original blower still. Quarter panels are brgining to rot
out just about the point where they meet the bumper fascia. Still
getting about 26 mpg.

Its only driven about 250 miles a month right now. In the winter it will
see more use as the Buick gets a rest. I want to keep it long enough to
beat my uncles record of owning a 63 Buick 16 years. Although my brother
has a 91 S-10 pick up which he has no plans of getting rid of. The S-10
got over 250,000 miles.

The last out of state trip in the Bonneville was June of 2005 to central
Indiana, about a 250 miles round trip. Last big trip was fall of 04 to a
covered bridge festival in central PA, about a 1400 mile trip.

A friend in Ohio is retiring a 95 Maxima with 284,000 miles.

harryface
05 Park Avenue 49, 099
91 Bonneville 307,322
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Harryface9105.TakeThisOut@webtv.net (Harry Face) wrote in
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> Grappletech,
>
> The Park Avenue had 13,000 on it when I bought it in May of 05. The
car
> was built in June of 04. I'm semi retired / on the loaf / not working
/
> unemployed, call it what you want, but I travel alot on far away
trips.
> I've actually been out of state the last four weekends in a row, all
800
> mile + trips. Got a Ohio trip planned this weekend which will be
another
> 750 miles.
> 50,000 will be here within two weeks.
>
> Not much plane travel for me if I can avoid it. I may drive the Buick
to
> California next year. Before I bought the Buick I was averaging 23,000
+
> miles a year on the Bonneville. The biggest year was 2002 @ 34,000
miles
> exactly. I owned an 89' Z-24 convertible from 96 - 00, so that cut
down
> on miles added to the Bonneville. I put slightly over 50,000 on the Z,
> which was only driven in the summer, and maybe once a month in the
> winter months, if there wasn't any road salt out and it was dry.
>
> The Bonneville has a knock in the engine.
> It started back in April.
> One goodwrench said he thought it was the balance shaft - another one
> though it sounded like a piston hitting the valve.
> The original master cylinder is getting weak and the suspension has
its
> jolts every now & then.
>
> Despite all the miles it still runs well, motor starts on 2 when you
> count 1,2,3. The AC died in late 2004 as did a rear speaker. Got great
> heat from the original blower still. Quarter panels are brgining to
rot
> out just about the point where they meet the bumper fascia. Still
> getting about 26 mpg.
>
> Its only driven about 250 miles a month right now. In the winter it
will
> see more use as the Buick gets a rest. I want to keep it long enough
to
> beat my uncles record of owning a 63 Buick 16 years. Although my
brother
> has a 91 S-10 pick up which he has no plans of getting rid of. The S-
10
> got over 250,000 miles.
>
> The last out of state trip in the Bonneville was June of 2005 to
central
> Indiana, about a 250 miles round trip. Last big trip was fall of 04 to
a
> covered bridge festival in central PA, about a 1400 mile trip.
>
> A friend in Ohio is retiring a 95 Maxima with 284,000 miles.
>
> harryface
> 05 Park Avenue 49, 099
> 91 Bonneville 307,322
>
>


I like roadtrips also. You ever been across Canada? You'd like it. In
Sept.'03, my brother flew out here to Ohio, and then we drove northeast
to Niagara Falls. Then we drove across Canada -- Ontario, Manitoba,
Saskatchewan, Alberta, British Columbia, then drove down through
Washington state, Oregon, California. We went to my sister's wedding in
California, then I drove back across the USA back to Ohio. 5500 miles.
We took my '99 Chevy Venture minivan. I had taken out all of the rear
seats except a small jumpseat off to the side that we kept folded
forward out of the way. I had a small mattress back there, a cooler,
several Rubbermaid totes with clothes/food/misc.. While one was
driving, the other one of us could either watch the scenery or go to the
back for a rest. Minivan travel is great. And the Venture got about
25mpg, not too much less than a car. Canada was great. The people are
very, very friendly. The diners and cafes along the highways are very
clean, with beautiful waitresses and good food. I recommend a Canadian
roadtrip. Once you get into Canada, you blend in well, no ones knows or
suspects you're not Canadian. Only weird thing is that the posted speed
limits are in KM, not miles, but you get used to it fast.

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I was in Canada in 1970, north of Niagra Falls and in Vancouver, BC in
2003.

harryface
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