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Since: Dec 12, 2006 Posts: 18
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(Msg. 1) Posted: Tue Dec 12, 2006 7:11 pm
Post subject: '89 Corolla trouble code #25? (carbureted California car) Archived from groups: alt>autos>toyota (more info?)
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Hi all,
1989 Toyota Corolla SR5, Carbureted 4AF, California emissions, 146k
miles, runs great, thanks largely to all the help I've gotten from this
newsgroup since buying the car in 1999.
Check Engine Light turned on while I was driving (stop and go local
driving)-- I pulled the trouble code and it's #25. Runs fine. Engine
temp was normal operating temp. Came home. 15 minutes later, for good
luck, I sprayed some carb cleaner in the carb. Drove the car around a
few miles, the check engine light did not come back on.
Could someone tell me what this code is and what I might want to do
next? From what I could find from old posts, it may mean "running
lean" and that the next step is to change the O2 sensor? (or can it be
cleaned?)
If so, does anyone know if a California car would use the same O2
sensor as a non-California car?
The only other history of relevance, if any:
1. gas mileage is normal; passed Emissions fine 5 months/2000 miles ago
2. had entire new exhaust system installed last month, including new
catalytic converter.
3. 5 years/40,000 miles ago, the car was misfiring when cold and had
trouble codes #31 and #41. I first changed the Thermo vacuum switching
valve, which did not help. Then changed the Throttle position switch,
which solved the problem.
4. car's now only driven about 4k miles a year, mostly local driving
5. it is getting colder quickly here in Boston
Hope it's unlikely that the car needs a new carb, b/c I just put $1100
into it this past year and will go crazy if I need to spend any more on
it.
Thanks for any and all advice!
John
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Since: Jun 02, 2006 Posts: 4627
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Tue Dec 12, 2006 11:06 pm
Post subject: Re: '89 Corolla trouble code #25? (carbureted California car) [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
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> Hi all,
> 1989 Toyota Corolla SR5, Carbureted 4AF, California emissions, 146k
> miles, runs great, thanks largely to all the help I've gotten from this
> newsgroup since buying the car in 1999.
>
> Check Engine Light turned on while I was driving (stop and go local
> driving)-- I pulled the trouble code and it's #25. Runs fine. Engine
> temp was normal operating temp. Came home. 15 minutes later, for good
> luck, I sprayed some carb cleaner in the carb. Drove the car around a
> few miles, the check engine light did not come back on.
>
> Could someone tell me what this code is and what I might want to do
> next? From what I could find from old posts, it may mean "running
> lean" and that the next step is to change the O2 sensor? (or can it be
> cleaned?)
>
> If so, does anyone know if a California car would use the same O2
> sensor as a non-California car?
>
> The only other history of relevance, if any:
> 1. gas mileage is normal; passed Emissions fine 5 months/2000 miles ago
> 2. had entire new exhaust system installed last month, including new
> catalytic converter.
> 3. 5 years/40,000 miles ago, the car was misfiring when cold and had
> trouble codes #31 and #41. I first changed the Thermo vacuum switching
> valve, which did not help. Then changed the Throttle position switch,
> which solved the problem.
> 4. car's now only driven about 4k miles a year, mostly local driving
> 5. it is getting colder quickly here in Boston
>
> Hope it's unlikely that the car needs a new carb, b/c I just put $1100
> into it this past year and will go crazy if I need to spend any more on
> it.
>
> Thanks for any and all advice!
> John
>
>
I did not check to see if trouble code 25 means that the engine is running
lean, but assuming it is, spraying carb cleaner enriches the mixture.
Check to make sure the air filter is not dirty. Remove the air filter
element and shine a light behind it. You should be able to clearly see the
light through the element. If the light is dim or not visible, replace the
air filter element.
The system knows it is lean from the O2 sensor's output, so I would start by
checking O2 sensor function. Disconnect the O2 sensor and hook a volt meter
up to the sensor terminals. With the engine running steady at about 2,500
RPM, voltage should fluctuate at least once per second. If it does not,
then the sensor needs replacement. I do not know if CA vehicles have a
different O2 sensor or not, but I suspect not.
If the O2 sensor is functioning properly, then the carb needs adjustment. I
would leave this to a competent technician.
--
Ray O
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Since: Nov 20, 2006 Posts: 2704
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Wed Dec 13, 2006 4:09 am
Post subject: Re: '89 Corolla trouble code #25? (carbureted California car) [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
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On Tue, 12 Dec 2006 19:11:09 -0800, johnyang97 wrote:
> Hi all,
> 1989 Toyota Corolla SR5, Carbureted 4AF, California emissions, 146k
> miles, runs great, thanks largely to all the help I've gotten from this
> newsgroup since buying the car in 1999.
>
> Check Engine Light turned on while I was driving (stop and go local
> driving)-- I pulled the trouble code and it's #25. Runs fine. Engine
> temp was normal operating temp. Came home. 15 minutes later, for good
> luck, I sprayed some carb cleaner in the carb. Drove the car around a
> few miles, the check engine light did not come back on.
>
> Could someone tell me what this code is and what I might want to do
> next? From what I could find from old posts, it may mean "running
> lean" and that the next step is to change the O2 sensor? (or can it be
> cleaned?)
>
> If so, does anyone know if a California car would use the same O2
> sensor as a non-California car?
>
> The only other history of relevance, if any:
> 1. gas mileage is normal; passed Emissions fine 5 months/2000 miles ago
> 2. had entire new exhaust system installed last month, including new
> catalytic converter.
> 3. 5 years/40,000 miles ago, the car was misfiring when cold and had
> trouble codes #31 and #41. I first changed the Thermo vacuum switching
> valve, which did not help. Then changed the Throttle position switch,
> which solved the problem.
> 4. car's now only driven about 4k miles a year, mostly local driving
> 5. it is getting colder quickly here in Boston
>
> Hope it's unlikely that the car needs a new carb, b/c I just put $1100
> into it this past year and will go crazy if I need to spend any more on
> it.
>
> Thanks for any and all advice!
> John
>
Here's a good place:
http://autorepair.about.com/library/ts/obd-i/bl-dtcs-71.htm
25 Air/Fuel ratio lean. >> Stay informed about: '89 Corolla trouble code #25? (carbureted California car) |
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Since: Dec 14, 2006 Posts: 17
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Thu Dec 14, 2006 10:15 am
Post subject: Re: '89 Corolla trouble code #25? (carbureted California car) [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
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Hi Hachiroku,
> > Right now I work in downtown Boston at Tufts-New England Medical Center
> Right outside Chinatown, near the Wang Center? (and a holler from the
> Combat Zone, too?...ugh.)
> I haven't been there for a few years...have they cleaned that area up?
Yep, our building is right next door to the Wang Center and right next
to the "Combat Zone." The Combat Zone (for those not familiar with it,
an infamous red-light district) does not really exist anymore. All but
1 of the adult bookstores/videostores is now gone. I have never seen
any prostitutes walking the streets around here the past 2 years.
There are always a fair number of sketchy guys roaming the streets
around here at all hours, who are likely doing some of the
not-infrequent muggings around here.
> I have to admit...I used to leave my Brand-New Corolla GTS on Beech st. in
> Chinatown, and nobody ever bothered it!
> > I'm in Western Mass...thank God! Nah, I liked Andover.
Do you still have the GTS? I know that the RWD GTS's are worth good
money still.
I wonder if the '89 SR5 coupe will ever have any collector/sentimental
value to anymore? It's a white California car and spent most of its
life in Los Angeles, and I've kept it garaged for most of its life in
the Northeast. The car looks new, the paint is pristine, and there is
no rust. Runs brand new too. I'd hate to sell it to someone as a
beater when there might be someone out there who really wants one of
these cars for whatever reason. I don't mind selling it for cheap
($1000 or whatever) in a year or two, but don't want to see it not go
to a good home.
Take care,
John >> Stay informed about: '89 Corolla trouble code #25? (carbureted California car) |
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Thu Dec 14, 2006 11:55 am
Post subject: Re: '89 Corolla trouble code #25? (carbureted California car) [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
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Ray O wrote:
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> The system knows it is lean from the O2 sensor's output, so I would start by
> checking O2 sensor function. Disconnect the O2 sensor and hook a volt meter
> up to the sensor terminals. With the engine running steady at about 2,500
> RPM, voltage should fluctuate at least once per second. If it does not,
> then the sensor needs replacement. I do not know if CA vehicles have a
> different O2 sensor or not, but I suspect not.
>
> If the O2 sensor is functioning properly, then the carb needs adjustment. I
> would leave this to a competent technician.
Disconnecting it won't work. That fluctuation you see is the the control
mechanism working WITH the o2 sensor. There will be a test port where
you can connect your voltmeter without disconnecting the o2 sensor.
On my '85 it's near the firewall on the passenger side. When you remove
the rubber cover it is labeled ... can't remember exactly what it says,
but it's clear that it's for the o2 sensor.
If the fluctuations don't occur, it's either the o2 sensor or the control
mechanism. On the 85, the carb is set too rich and a couple of air bleeds
are activated to lean the mixture. Lack of control could mean the air bleeds
or the valves are plugged or leaking. One trick is to force a rich condition by
introducing propane into the intake. That will cause the o2 sensor to
stay in the rich state (don't know if it's the high or low voltage
at the test connector). That gives you some idea how much of the control
loop is active. Lean is created by pulling hoses to create an air leak.
But based on your code, going lean isn't an issue for you. >> Stay informed about: '89 Corolla trouble code #25? (carbureted California car) |
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Since: Jun 02, 2006 Posts: 4627
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Thu Dec 14, 2006 12:12 pm
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"Kurt Krueger" wrote in message
> Ray O wrote:
>
>>
>> The system knows it is lean from the O2 sensor's output, so I would start
>> by checking O2 sensor function. Disconnect the O2 sensor and hook a volt
>> meter up to the sensor terminals. With the engine running steady at
>> about 2,500 RPM, voltage should fluctuate at least once per second. If
>> it does not, then the sensor needs replacement. I do not know if CA
>> vehicles have a different O2 sensor or not, but I suspect not.
>>
>> If the O2 sensor is functioning properly, then the carb needs adjustment.
>> I would leave this to a competent technician.
>
> Disconnecting it won't work. That fluctuation you see is the the control
> mechanism working WITH the o2 sensor. There will be a test port where
> you can connect your voltmeter without disconnecting the o2 sensor.
Good point! You disconnect to measure resistance, not voltage fluctuation.
--
Ray O
(correct punctuation to reply)
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> On my '85 it's near the firewall on the passenger side. When you remove
> the rubber cover it is labeled ... can't remember exactly what it says,
> but it's clear that it's for the o2 sensor.
>
> If the fluctuations don't occur, it's either the o2 sensor or the control
> mechanism. On the 85, the carb is set too rich and a couple of air bleeds
> are activated to lean the mixture. Lack of control could mean the air
> bleeds
> or the valves are plugged or leaking. One trick is to force a rich
> condition by
> introducing propane into the intake. That will cause the o2 sensor to
> stay in the rich state (don't know if it's the high or low voltage
> at the test connector). That gives you some idea how much of the control
> loop is active. Lean is created by pulling hoses to create an air leak.
> But based on your code, going lean isn't an issue for you. >> Stay informed about: '89 Corolla trouble code #25? (carbureted California car) |
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Thu Dec 14, 2006 7:55 pm
Post subject: Re: '89 Corolla trouble code #25? (carbureted California car) [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
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On Thu, 14 Dec 2006 10:15:49 -0800, johnyang97 wrote:
> Hi Hachiroku,
>
>> > Right now I work in downtown Boston at Tufts-New England Medical Center
>> Right outside Chinatown, near the Wang Center? (and a holler from the
>> Combat Zone, too?...ugh.)
>> I haven't been there for a few years...have they cleaned that area up?
>
> Yep, our building is right next door to the Wang Center and right next
> to the "Combat Zone." The Combat Zone (for those not familiar with it,
> an infamous red-light district) does not really exist anymore. All but
> 1 of the adult bookstores/videostores is now gone. I have never seen
> any prostitutes walking the streets around here the past 2 years.
> There are always a fair number of sketchy guys roaming the streets
> around here at all hours, who are likely doing some of the
> not-infrequent muggings around here.
This is a good ting! Of course, when I was single a bunch of us would go
there once in a GREAT while for a laugh, but we were out by dark! If you
were on the Chinatown side of things it was a bit better. I was married to
a Chinese girl 8 years and that's where we did a lot of our 'grocery
shopping', and I never ONCE had any trouble in Chinatown.
>
>> I have to admit...I used to leave my Brand-New Corolla GTS on Beech st. in
>> Chinatown, and nobody ever bothered it!
>> > I'm in Western Mass...thank God! Nah, I liked Andover.
>
> Do you still have the GTS? I know that the RWD GTS's are worth good
> money still.
>
> I wonder if the '89 SR5 coupe will ever have any collector/sentimental
> value to anymore? It's a white California car and spent most of its
> life in Los Angeles, and I've kept it garaged for most of its life in
> the Northeast. The car looks new, the paint is pristine, and there is
> no rust. Runs brand new too. I'd hate to sell it to someone as a
> beater when there might be someone out there who really wants one of
> these cars for whatever reason. I don't mind selling it for cheap
> ($1000 or whatever) in a year or two, but don't want to see it not go
> to a good home.
Oh, dear...you've been looking through this group, haven't you!
Ordinarily I would probably come out and look at it, but I recently was
laid off and bought a $150 Mazda from a friend. I'm almost done putting it
back together, about $500, so for $650 I have a decent car. Three weeks
ago I would have been out there tomorrow! Much rather have a Corolla than
a Mazda, esp an SR-5. DANG!
And, I still have the 'hachiroku' (Google Image Search for the
reference...), RWD but in need of a fair amount of repair. I was going to
start it last summer but had a chance to buy a Supra that was TOO good to
pass up, and have been putting all my effort and $$ into that. I'm not
sure at this point which one is more worthwhile! The Corollas are still in
demand because of the Drift scene (and Initial D had something to do with
it, too...) but the Supra has almost quadrupled it's street value since I
bought it, and is still going up!
Talk to me in the spring!!!
>
> Take care,
> John >> Stay informed about: '89 Corolla trouble code #25? (carbureted California car) |
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