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(Msg. 1) Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2007 10:14 am
Post subject: 83 rabbit low oil pressure problem
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Hi-
Recently I had the oil chacked on my 83 rabbit because the oil light
would begin to flicker after about a half hour of driving. He said
the pressure was a bit low but it was an older car so that was to be
expected and to just add a thicker oil and drive it. (The car is a gas
fuel injected automatic with about 184,000 miles on it) However I
love this car and want to keep it running right for as long as I can.
It was suggested by someone else that i spoke to that the oil pressure
problem is most likely caused by the oil pump beginning to go out. So
my question to everyone is this- Should I just put heavy weight oil
in it or do I replace the oil pump. (As I have only purchased the car
less that a year ago I have no idea if it has ever been replaced or
not.) Also how hard is the pump it to get at?? Are there any major
problems with gaining access to it?
Thanks
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2007 1:51 pm
Post subject: Re: 83 rabbit low oil pressure problem [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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Chris wrote:
> Hi-
> Recently I had the oil chacked on my 83 rabbit because the oil light
> would begin to flicker after about a half hour of driving. He said
> the pressure was a bit low but it was an older car so that was to be
> expected and to just add a thicker oil and drive it. (The car is a gas
> fuel injected automatic with about 184,000 miles on it) However I
> love this car and want to keep it running right for as long as I can.
> It was suggested by someone else that i spoke to that the oil pressure
> problem is most likely caused by the oil pump beginning to go out. So
> my question to everyone is this- Should I just put heavy weight oil
> in it or do I replace the oil pump. (As I have only purchased the car
> less that a year ago I have no idea if it has ever been replaced or
> not.) Also how hard is the pump it to get at?? Are there any major
> problems with gaining access to it?
>
> Thanks
> Chris
It is rather difficult to tell in a car with that much mileage. You
could try a new oil pump. Find out how much it would cost, but keep in mind
that it may be worn main bearings etc. and not the pump. It may well be
both.
If heavier oil (what are you using now) may increase the pressure enough
to buy you a good amount of time before you need do anything else. Assuming
you don't over do it, there will be no damage and may protect the car and
provide a long life.
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2007 3:56 pm
Post subject: Re: 83 rabbit low oil pressure problem [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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You might have a bad wire or connection at the oil pressure sending unit.
have you checked your oil level? Does the light come on when you turn hard
left or right?
The pump is just a gear and a shaft. It is not what one would think like a
typical pump like a fuel pump etc. They almost never fail. You need to
drop the pan and use feeler gauges to check the play between the pump gears.
The bently shows this.
I have an 1984 with 360, 000 miles and my pressure is fine, I doubt it is
your oil pump.
"Chris" <williamschris.TakeThisOut@uwstout.edu> wrote in message
news:1180977242.355351.205470@n4g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
> Hi-
> Recently I had the oil chacked on my 83 rabbit because the oil light
> would begin to flicker after about a half hour of driving. He said
> the pressure was a bit low but it was an older car so that was to be
> expected and to just add a thicker oil and drive it. (The car is a gas
> fuel injected automatic with about 184,000 miles on it) However I
> love this car and want to keep it running right for as long as I can.
> It was suggested by someone else that i spoke to that the oil pressure
> problem is most likely caused by the oil pump beginning to go out. So
> my question to everyone is this- Should I just put heavy weight oil
> in it or do I replace the oil pump. (As I have only purchased the car
> less that a year ago I have no idea if it has ever been replaced or
> not.) Also how hard is the pump it to get at?? Are there any major
> problems with gaining access to it?
>
> Thanks
> Chris
> >> Stay informed about: 83 rabbit low oil pressure problem |
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2007 6:50 pm
Post subject: Re: 83 rabbit low oil pressure problem [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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On Jun 4, 11:26 am, "Tube Audio" <murph....TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote:
> You might have a bad wire or connection at the oil pressure sending unit.
>
> have you checked your oil level? Does the light come on when you turn hard
> left or right?
>
> The pump is just a gear and a shaft. It is not what one would think like a
> typical pump like a fuel pump etc. They almost never fail. You need to
> drop the pan and use feeler gauges to check the play between the pump gears.
> The bently shows this.
>
> I have an 1984 with 360, 000 miles and my pressure is fine, I doubt it is
> your oil pump.
>
> "Chris" <williamsch....TakeThisOut@uwstout.edu> wrote in message
>
> news:1180977242.355351.205470@n4g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
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>
>
> > Hi-
> > Recently I had the oil chacked on my 83 rabbit because the oil light
> > would begin to flicker after about a half hour of driving. He said
> > the pressure was a bit low but it was an older car so that was to be
> > expected and to just add a thicker oil and drive it. (The car is a gas
> > fuel injected automatic with about 184,000 miles on it) However I
> > love this car and want to keep it running right for as long as I can.
> > It was suggested by someone else that i spoke to that the oil pressure
> > problem is most likely caused by the oil pump beginning to go out. So
> > my question to everyone is this- Should I just put heavy weight oil
> > in it or do I replace the oil pump. (As I have only purchased the car
> > less that a year ago I have no idea if it has ever been replaced or
> > not.) Also how hard is the pump it to get at?? Are there any major
> > problems with gaining access to it?
>
> > Thanks
> > Chris- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Yes I check the oil regularly and it has been within normal range. No
it does not come on with a hard right or left turn. It seems to come
on when the engine has warmed up and only seems to flicker a bit when
I hit certain speeds- if I take my foot off the gas it stops- but
continues when I return to that speed. Strange. The mechanic said it
sounded like a bad sensor. But the oil pressure was below normal
range when tested. I live in wisconsin- so depending on the season it
is eithe 10w 30 or 5w30. The mechanic suggested something like
20w50?? Any ideas what I should be using for summer/winter?
Thanks >> Stay informed about: 83 rabbit low oil pressure problem |
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2007 8:55 pm
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On Mon, 04 Jun 2007 18:26:06 GMT, "Tube Audio" <murphysf.RemoveThis@hotmail.com>
wrote:
>You might have a bad wire or connection at the oil pressure sending unit.
>
>have you checked your oil level? Does the light come on when you turn hard
>left or right?
>
>The pump is just a gear and a shaft. It is not what one would think like a
>typical pump like a fuel pump etc. They almost never fail. You need to
>drop the pan and use feeler gauges to check the play between the pump gears.
>The bently shows this.
>
>I have an 1984 with 360, 000 miles and my pressure is fine, I doubt it is
>your oil pump.
>
>
>"Chris" <williamschris.RemoveThis@uwstout.edu> wrote in message
>news:1180977242.355351.205470@n4g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
>> Hi-
>> Recently I had the oil chacked on my 83 rabbit because the oil light
>> would begin to flicker after about a half hour of driving. He said
>> the pressure was a bit low but it was an older car so that was to be
>> expected and to just add a thicker oil and drive it. (The car is a gas
>> fuel injected automatic with about 184,000 miles on it) However I
>> love this car and want to keep it running right for as long as I can.
>> It was suggested by someone else that i spoke to that the oil pressure
>> problem is most likely caused by the oil pump beginning to go out. So
>> my question to everyone is this- Should I just put heavy weight oil
>> in it or do I replace the oil pump. (As I have only purchased the car
>> less that a year ago I have no idea if it has ever been replaced or
>> not.) Also how hard is the pump it to get at?? Are there any major
>> problems with gaining access to it?
>>
>> Thanks
>> Chris
>>
>
My car would make all kinds of noise with 10wX oil but 15wX oil would
keep that pesky sensor quiet. I had plastiguaged an 84 that had
129,000 miles and the mains and rods read within new tolerances. That
car did not look well maintained as I did new drive axles and other
things. >> Stay informed about: 83 rabbit low oil pressure problem |
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2007 11:56 pm
Post subject: Re: 83 rabbit low oil pressure problem [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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On Mon, 04 Jun 2007 18:50:27 -0700, Chris <williamschris DeleteThis @uwstout.edu>
wrote:
>On Jun 4, 11:26 am, "Tube Audio" <murph... DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote:
>> You might have a bad wire or connection at the oil pressure sending unit.
>>
>> have you checked your oil level? Does the light come on when you turn hard
>> left or right?
>>
>> The pump is just a gear and a shaft. It is not what one would think like a
>> typical pump like a fuel pump etc. They almost never fail. You need to
>> drop the pan and use feeler gauges to check the play between the pump gears.
>> The bently shows this.
>>
>> I have an 1984 with 360, 000 miles and my pressure is fine, I doubt it is
>> your oil pump.
>>
>> "Chris" <williamsch... DeleteThis @uwstout.edu> wrote in message
>>
>> news:1180977242.355351.205470@n4g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
>>
>>
>>
>> > Hi-
>> > Recently I had the oil chacked on my 83 rabbit because the oil light
>> > would begin to flicker after about a half hour of driving. He said
>> > the pressure was a bit low but it was an older car so that was to be
>> > expected and to just add a thicker oil and drive it. (The car is a gas
>> > fuel injected automatic with about 184,000 miles on it) However I
>> > love this car and want to keep it running right for as long as I can.
>> > It was suggested by someone else that i spoke to that the oil pressure
>> > problem is most likely caused by the oil pump beginning to go out. So
>> > my question to everyone is this- Should I just put heavy weight oil
>> > in it or do I replace the oil pump. (As I have only purchased the car
>> > less that a year ago I have no idea if it has ever been replaced or
>> > not.) Also how hard is the pump it to get at?? Are there any major
>> > problems with gaining access to it?
>>
>> > Thanks
>> > Chris- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>Yes I check the oil regularly and it has been within normal range. No
>it does not come on with a hard right or left turn. It seems to come
>on when the engine has warmed up and only seems to flicker a bit when
>I hit certain speeds- if I take my foot off the gas it stops- but
>continues when I return to that speed. Strange. The mechanic said it
>sounded like a bad sensor. But the oil pressure was below normal
>range when tested. I live in wisconsin- so depending on the season it
>is eithe 10w 30 or 5w30. The mechanic suggested something like
>20w50?? Any ideas what I should be using for summer/winter?
>Thanks
Personally I run Mobil 1 where the thicker Mobil 1 oil will flow
better than a thinner dino oil. Thicker oil is the standard policy to
follow on a Rabbit engine. It also holds true for some Vanagon
engines. I run the same oil summer and winter when running synthetics.
There is one sensor to make sure the oil pressure is good at iddle.
There is another sensor that expects a certain value somewhere about
2,000 rpms. >> Stay informed about: 83 rabbit low oil pressure problem |
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2007 11:01 am
Post subject: Re: 83 rabbit low oil pressure problem [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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On Jun 5, 1:50 am, Chris <williamsch....TakeThisOut@uwstout.edu> wrote:
> On Jun 4, 11:26 am, "Tube Audio" <murph....TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > You might have a bad wire or connection at the oil pressure sending unit.
>
> > have you checked your oil level? Does the light come on when you turn hard
> > left or right?
>
> > The pump is just a gear and a shaft. It is not what one would think like a
> > typical pump like a fuel pump etc. They almost never fail. You need to
> > drop the pan and use feeler gauges to check the play between the pump gears.
> > The bently shows this.
>
> > I have an 1984 with 360, 000 miles and my pressure is fine, I doubt it is
> > your oil pump.
>
> > "Chris" <williamsch....TakeThisOut@uwstout.edu> wrote in message
>
> >news:1180977242.355351.205470@n4g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
>
> > > Hi-
> > > Recently I had the oil chacked on my 83 rabbit because the oil light
> > > would begin to flicker after about a half hour of driving. He said
> > > the pressure was a bit low but it was an older car so that was to be
> > > expected and to just add a thicker oil and drive it. (The car is a gas
> > > fuel injected automatic with about 184,000 miles on it) However I
> > > love this car and want to keep it running right for as long as I can.
> > > It was suggested by someone else that i spoke to that the oil pressure
> > > problem is most likely caused by the oil pump beginning to go out. So
> > > my question to everyone is this- Should I just put heavy weight oil
> > > in it or do I replace the oil pump. (As I have only purchased the car
> > > less that a year ago I have no idea if it has ever been replaced or
> > > not.) Also how hard is the pump it to get at?? Are there any major
> > > problems with gaining access to it?
>
> > > Thanks
> > > Chris- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> Yes I check the oil regularly and it has been within normal range. No
> it does not come on with a hard right or left turn. It seems to come
> on when the engine has warmed up and only seems to flicker a bit when
> I hit certain speeds- if I take my foot off the gas it stops- but
> continues when I return to that speed. Strange. The mechanic said it
> sounded like a bad sensor. But the oil pressure was below normal
> range when tested. I live in wisconsin- so depending on the season it
> is eithe 10w 30 or 5w30. The mechanic suggested something like
> 20w50?? Any ideas what I should be using for summer/winter?
> Thanks
Try the owners manual, or the Bentley manual. Both have charts.
I run 20w50 all year in my 5 speed gas 1986 Jetta. This is
consistent with the charts in the manuals, which spec 20w50
down to -10C, about the worst Vancouver ever gets.
The oil light often goes out while the engine is still cranking
(312,000 km, BTW), but I have a couple of lifters that make
nasty noises until they pump back up if the engine has been
off for more than a few hours.
If you have any doubt, you should measure the oil pressure
yourself and confirm that it's OK.
Laura Halliday VE7LDH "Que les nuages soient notre
Grid: CN89mg pied a terre..."
ICBM: 49 16.05 N 122 56.92 W - Hospital/Shafte >> Stay informed about: 83 rabbit low oil pressure problem |
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2007 5:39 pm
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"laura halliday" <marsgal42.DeleteThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Jun 5, 1:50 am, Chris <williamsch....DeleteThis@uwstout.edu> wrote:
>> On Jun 4, 11:26 am, "Tube Audio" <murph....DeleteThis@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > You might have a bad wire or connection at the oil pressure sending
>> > unit.
>>
>> > have you checked your oil level? Does the light come on when you turn
>> > hard
>> > left or right?
>>
>> > The pump is just a gear and a shaft. It is not what one would think
>> > like a
>> > typical pump like a fuel pump etc. They almost never fail. You need
>> > to
>> > drop the pan and use feeler gauges to check the play between the pump
>> > gears.
>> > The bently shows this.
>>
>> > I have an 1984 with 360, 000 miles and my pressure is fine, I doubt it
>> > is
>> > your oil pump.
>>
>> > "Chris" <williamsch....DeleteThis@uwstout.edu> wrote in message
>>
>> >news:1180977242.355351.205470@n4g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> > > Hi-
>> > > Recently I had the oil chacked on my 83 rabbit because the oil light
>> > > would begin to flicker after about a half hour of driving. He said
>> > > the pressure was a bit low but it was an older car so that was to be
>> > > expected and to just add a thicker oil and drive it. (The car is a
>> > > gas
>> > > fuel injected automatic with about 184,000 miles on it) However I
>> > > love this car and want to keep it running right for as long as I can.
>> > > It was suggested by someone else that i spoke to that the oil
>> > > pressure
>> > > problem is most likely caused by the oil pump beginning to go out.
>> > > So
>> > > my question to everyone is this- Should I just put heavy weight oil
>> > > in it or do I replace the oil pump. (As I have only purchased the car
>> > > less that a year ago I have no idea if it has ever been replaced or
>> > > not.) Also how hard is the pump it to get at?? Are there any major
>> > > problems with gaining access to it?
>>
>> > > Thanks
>> > > Chris- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> > - Show quoted text -
>>
>> Yes I check the oil regularly and it has been within normal range. No
>> it does not come on with a hard right or left turn. It seems to come
>> on when the engine has warmed up and only seems to flicker a bit when
>> I hit certain speeds- if I take my foot off the gas it stops- but
>> continues when I return to that speed. Strange. The mechanic said it
>> sounded like a bad sensor. But the oil pressure was below normal
>> range when tested. I live in wisconsin- so depending on the season it
>> is eithe 10w 30 or 5w30. The mechanic suggested something like
>> 20w50?? Any ideas what I should be using for summer/winter?
>> Thanks
>
> Try the owners manual, or the Bentley manual. Both have charts.
>
> I run 20w50 all year in my 5 speed gas 1986 Jetta. This is
> consistent with the charts in the manuals, which spec 20w50
> down to -10C, about the worst Vancouver ever gets.
>
> The oil light often goes out while the engine is still cranking
> (312,000 km, BTW), but I have a couple of lifters that make
> nasty noises until they pump back up if the engine has been
> off for more than a few hours.
>
> If you have any doubt, you should measure the oil pressure
> yourself and confirm that it's OK.
>
> Laura Halliday VE7LDH "Que les nuages soient notre
> Grid: CN89mg pied a terre..."
> ICBM: 49 16.05 N 122 56.92 W - Hospital/Shafte
>>>> The motors worn, put thicker oil in it. 20-50 or 15-40. >> Stay informed about: 83 rabbit low oil pressure problem |
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2007 9:40 am
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I would be suspicious of the oil sender (pressure sensor switch).
Also, if you want to keep this car for a while longer why not install
an oil pressure gauge? It used to be very easy to get VDO gauges and
senders that fit right in with the car's dashboard/interior, either
electrical or mechanical (I had a mechanical gauge in an 83 GTI).
Frank
On Jun 4, 1:14 pm, Chris <williamsch... DeleteThis @uwstout.edu> wrote:
> Hi-
> Recently I had the oil chacked on my 83 rabbit because the oil light
> would begin to flicker after about a half hour of driving. He said
> the pressure was a bit low but it was an older car so that was to be
> expected and to just add a thicker oil and drive it. (The car is a gas
> fuel injected automatic with about 184,000 miles on it) However I
> love this car and want to keep it running right for as long as I can.
> It was suggested by someone else that i spoke to that the oil pressure
> problem is most likely caused by the oil pump beginning to go out. So
> my question to everyone is this- Should I just put heavy weight oil
> in it or do I replace the oil pump. (As I have only purchased the car
> less that a year ago I have no idea if it has ever been replaced or
> not.) Also how hard is the pump it to get at?? Are there any major
> problems with gaining access to it?
>
> Thanks
> Chris >> Stay informed about: 83 rabbit low oil pressure problem |
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