427s

Tom wrote:
> overhead cam 427, commonly refered to as the "cammer ford"
> and it was the early/mid 60's not late 60's.
> and it was not a 3 valve per cylinder, but a 2 valve.
> and it was one cam per head, not 2.
> "nada" wrote in message
>
>> In the late 60s developed a 3 valve 427 with two camshafts, one above the
>> other. Two of the valves were intake one exhaust and operated off the top
>> camshaft. It had 16 individual intake runners. One version had a oval or
>> oblong valve, for lack of a better description, intake valve, that had two
>> stems operating on the same layout.
>> The engine was called a Callope, or something similar, 427. It was
>> developed for LeMans, I seem to remember but was only used, in testing
>> possibly and was outlawed.
>> My recollections are from hot rod magazines,of the era possibly Popular
>> Hot Rodding.
>> Has anyone ever come across this engine or have access to articles on it?
>
>
I remember the Cammer and saw several.
The Calliope was an Fe design. It had two camshafts, one on top of the
other. I remember some of the photos, vaguely, of it. I don't remember
how the casting was different other than that. The Heads had one set of
ports and the other interspaced between above the others I think.
The time frame may not be accurate.
There are still several Cammers around. I think you can even buy an
after market motor.
 >> Stay informed about: 427s 

the cammer 427 was a side oiler 4 bolt main 427 FE engine, with overhead cam
heads, and a giant timing chain.
"nada" wrote in message

> Tom wrote:
>> overhead cam 427, commonly refered to as the "cammer ford"
>> and it was the early/mid 60's not late 60's.
>> and it was not a 3 valve per cylinder, but a 2 valve.
>> and it was one cam per head, not 2.
>> "nada" wrote in message
>>
>>> In the late 60s developed a 3 valve 427 with two camshafts, one above
>>> the other. Two of the valves were intake one exhaust and operated off
>>> the top camshaft. It had 16 individual intake runners. One version had a
>>> oval or oblong valve, for lack of a better description, intake valve,
>>> that had two stems operating on the same layout.
>>> The engine was called a Callope, or something similar, 427. It was
>>> developed for LeMans, I seem to remember but was only used, in testing
>>> possibly and was outlawed.
>>> My recollections are from hot rod magazines,of the era possibly Popular
>>> Hot Rodding.
>>> Has anyone ever come across this engine or have access to articles on
>>> it?
>>
>>
> I remember the Cammer and saw several.
> The Calliope was an Fe design. It had two camshafts, one on top of the
> other. I remember some of the photos, vaguely, of it. I don't remember how
> the casting was different other than that. The Heads had one set of ports
> and the other interspaced between above the others I think.
> The time frame may not be accurate.
> There are still several Cammers around. I think you can even buy an after
> market motor.
 >> Stay informed about: 427s 

Tom wrote:
> the cammer 427 was a side oiler 4 bolt main 427 FE engine, with overhead cam
> heads, and a giant timing chain.
> "nada" wrote in message
>
>> Tom wrote:
>>> overhead cam 427, commonly refered to as the "cammer ford"
>>> and it was the early/mid 60's not late 60's.
>>> and it was not a 3 valve per cylinder, but a 2 valve.
>>> and it was one cam per head, not 2.
>>> "nada" wrote in message
>>>
>>>> In the late 60s developed a 3 valve 427 with two camshafts, one above
>>>> the other. Two of the valves were intake one exhaust and operated off
>>>> the top camshaft. It had 16 individual intake runners. One version had a
>>>> oval or oblong valve, for lack of a better description, intake valve,
>>>> that had two stems operating on the same layout.
>>>> The engine was called a Callope, or something similar, 427. It was
>>>> developed for LeMans, I seem to remember but was only used, in testing
>>>> possibly and was outlawed.
>>>> My recollections are from hot rod magazines,of the era possibly Popular
>>>> Hot Rodding.
>>>> Has anyone ever come across this engine or have access to articles on
>>>> it?
>>>
>> I remember the Cammer and saw several.
>> The Calliope was an Fe design. It had two camshafts, one on top of the
>> other. I remember some of the photos, vaguely, of it. I don't remember how
>> the casting was different other than that. The Heads had one set of ports
>> and the other interspaced between above the others I think.
>> The time frame may not be accurate.
>> There are still several Cammers around. I think you can even buy an after
>> market motor.
>
>
There are several of them around. They both evolved from the FE. The
Cammer doesn't have the camshaft bores though, I seem to remember. The
Calliope was probably a side oiler too. Since I never saw one and can't
remember the details, in the mags.
I saw Dino Don Nicholson, at a local Gas Station where they were doing
something, to it under the hood about 66 maybe. They use to have some
great drag events. The car sounded like a destroked 327 on steroids,
The Calliope was never run in anything but maybe the Le Mans car.
I can't remember the reason it was dropped. It may have been reliability
but was probably not going to be allowed by Le Mans.
 >> Stay informed about: 427s 

nada wrote:
> Tom wrote:
>> the cammer 427 was a side oiler 4 bolt main 427 FE engine, with
>> overhead cam heads, and a giant timing chain.
>> "nada" wrote in message
>>
>>> Tom wrote:
>>>> overhead cam 427, commonly refered to as the "cammer ford"
>>>> and it was the early/mid 60's not late 60's.
>>>> and it was not a 3 valve per cylinder, but a 2 valve.
>>>> and it was one cam per head, not 2.
>>>> "nada" wrote in message
>>>>
>>>>> In the late 60s developed a 3 valve 427 with two camshafts, one
>>>>> above the other. Two of the valves were intake one exhaust and
>>>>> operated off the top camshaft. It had 16 individual intake runners.
>>>>> One version had a oval or oblong valve, for lack of a better
>>>>> description, intake valve, that had two stems operating on the same
>>>>> layout.
>>>>> The engine was called a Callope, or something similar, 427. It was
>>>>> developed for LeMans, I seem to remember but was only used, in
>>>>> testing possibly and was outlawed.
>>>>> My recollections are from hot rod magazines,of the era possibly
>>>>> Popular Hot Rodding.
>>>>> Has anyone ever come across this engine or have access to articles
>>>>> on it?
>>>>
>>> I remember the Cammer and saw several.
>>> The Calliope was an Fe design. It had two camshafts, one on top of
>>> the other. I remember some of the photos, vaguely, of it. I don't
>>> remember how the casting was different other than that. The Heads had
>>> one set of ports and the other interspaced between above the others I
>>> think.
>>> The time frame may not be accurate.
>>> There are still several Cammers around. I think you can even buy an
>>> after market motor.
>>
>>
> There are several of them around. They both evolved from the FE. The
> Cammer doesn't have the camshaft bores though, I seem to remember. The
> Calliope was probably a side oiler too. Since I never saw one and can't
> remember the details, in the mags.
> I saw Dino Don Nicholson, at a local Gas Station where they were doing
> something, to it under the hood about 66 maybe. They use to have some
> great drag events. The car sounded like a destroked 327 on steroids,
> The Calliope was never run in anything but maybe the Le Mans car.
> I can't remember the reason it was dropped. It may have been reliability
> but was probably not going to be allowed by Le Mans.
No they weren't driving it. They were working on it and there was a
trailer somewhere. Lots of out of town talent used various shops around
the area as a base.
 >> Stay informed about: 427s 

"Tom" wrote in message

> the cammer 427 was a side oiler 4 bolt main 427 FE engine, with overhead
> cam heads, and a giant timing chain.
> "nada" wrote in message
>
>> Tom wrote:
>>> overhead cam 427, commonly refered to as the "cammer ford"
>>> and it was the early/mid 60's not late 60's.
>>> and it was not a 3 valve per cylinder, but a 2 valve.
>>> and it was one cam per head, not 2.
>>> "nada" wrote in message
>>>
>>>> In the late 60s developed a 3 valve 427 with two camshafts, one above
>>>> the other. Two of the valves were intake one exhaust and operated off
>>>> the top camshaft. It had 16 individual intake runners. One version had
>>>> a oval or oblong valve, for lack of a better description, intake valve,
>>>> that had two stems operating on the same layout.
>>>> The engine was called a Callope, or something similar, 427. It was
>>>> developed for LeMans, I seem to remember but was only used, in testing
>>>> possibly and was outlawed.
>>>> My recollections are from hot rod magazines,of the era possibly Popular
>>>> Hot Rodding.
>>>> Has anyone ever come across this engine or have access to articles on
>>>> it?
>>>
>>>
>> I remember the Cammer and saw several.
>> The Calliope was an Fe design. It had two camshafts, one on top of the
>> other. I remember some of the photos, vaguely, of it. I don't remember
>> how the casting was different other than that. The Heads had one set of
>> ports and the other interspaced between above the others I think.
>> The time frame may not be accurate.
>> There are still several Cammers around. I think you can even buy an after
>> market motor.
>

Nada is correct..but it's been years since I've seen the Calliope
 >> Stay informed about: 427s 

On Wed, 31 Dec 2008 19:43:50 -0500, nada wrote:

>nada wrote:
>> Tom wrote:

>> There are several of them around. They both evolved from the FE. The
>> Cammer doesn't have the camshaft bores though, I seem to remember. The
>> Calliope was probably a side oiler too. Since I never saw one and can't
>> remember the details, in the mags.
>> I saw Dino Don Nicholson, at a local Gas Station where they were doing
>> something, to it under the hood about 66 maybe. They use to have some
>> great drag events. The car sounded like a destroked 327 on steroids,
>> The Calliope was never run in anything but maybe the Le Mans car.

It never ran in anything, other than a dyno cell, it was developed for
NASCAR, as the 427SOHC had been shot down with a rule change, as
the OHC was not legal to run. When NASCAR got wind of the Calliopy
the all of a sudden had a single cam rule... Then came the Boss429...

>No they weren't driving it. They were working on it and there was a
>trailer somewhere. Lots of out of town talent used various shops around
>the area as a base.

Cammer kits are available today, brand new parts, google it...

SteveL
 >> Stay informed about: 427s 

I vaguely... and I do mean VAGUELY recalled the Calliope..

So, I Googled "427 Calliope" and found there is some good info "in the
wild"...

I do recall the dual camshafts... Two cams IN THE BLOCK in an over under
configuration - mistakenly considered a DOHC arrangement by some.

The history of the Ottocycle engine is filled with amazing and wonderous
ventures and adventures... Pioneers like Zora Duntov, Smokey Yunick, Dan
Gurney, Offenhauser... too numerous to mention all of them. It is reasonably
safe to say that any idea one of us may dream up has already been tried...

Anyone remember the Chrysler "free piston" engine? How about the Bourke
engine... anyone realize people are still trying to redefine some of the
oddballs? Who has seen the crank arrangement on a radial engine? How about
that there are two different styles of rotary engine (at least).

This stuff is amazing, all the same.


"nada" wrote in message

> In the late 60s developed a 3 valve 427 with two camshafts, one above the
> other. Two of the valves were intake one exhaust and operated off the top
> camshaft. It had 16 individual intake runners. One version had a oval or
> oblong valve, for lack of a better description, intake valve, that had two
> stems operating on the same layout.
> The engine was called a Callope, or something similar, 427. It was
> developed for LeMans, I seem to remember but was only used, in testing
> possibly and was outlawed.
> My recollections are from hot rod magazines,of the era possibly Popular
> Hot Rodding.
> Has anyone ever come across this engine or have access to articles on it?
 >> Stay informed about: 427s 

the reference to a "427 calliope" is what threw me. i remember the 260
calliope that was run in the early 60's in the open wheel cars, with the
side mount carbs and exhaust up top where the intake should have been, and
the Gurney 289's. but i never heard of the 3 valve calliope 427 Fe engine.
wrote in message

>I vaguely... and I do mean VAGUELY recalled the Calliope..
>
> So, I Googled "427 Calliope" and found there is some good info "in the
> wild"...
>
> I do recall the dual camshafts... Two cams IN THE BLOCK in an over under
> configuration - mistakenly considered a DOHC arrangement by some.
>
> The history of the Ottocycle engine is filled with amazing and wonderous
> ventures and adventures... Pioneers like Zora Duntov, Smokey Yunick, Dan
> Gurney, Offenhauser... too numerous to mention all of them. It is
> reasonably safe to say that any idea one of us may dream up has already
> been tried...
>
> Anyone remember the Chrysler "free piston" engine? How about the Bourke
> engine... anyone realize people are still trying to redefine some of the
> oddballs? Who has seen the crank arrangement on a radial engine? How about
> that there are two different styles of rotary engine (at least).
>
> This stuff is amazing, all the same.
>
>
> "nada" wrote in message
>
>> In the late 60s developed a 3 valve 427 with two camshafts, one above the
>> other. Two of the valves were intake one exhaust and operated off the top
>> camshaft. It had 16 individual intake runners. One version had a oval or
>> oblong valve, for lack of a better description, intake valve, that had
>> two stems operating on the same layout.
>> The engine was called a Callope, or something similar, 427. It was
>> developed for LeMans, I seem to remember but was only used, in testing
>> possibly and was outlawed.
>> My recollections are from hot rod magazines,of the era possibly Popular
>> Hot Rodding.
>> Has anyone ever come across this engine or have access to articles on it?
>
>
 >> Stay informed about: 427s 

Ah, yes... some of the exhaust headers on those cars would have to be called
a marvel of fabrication...

An interesting note... current diesel engine technology has engine designs
coming with the "central exhaust system". This places the turbocharger in
very close proximity to the combustion chambers and should improve
turbocharger response...

The pics I have seen of the new DuraMax show this arrangement and both the
4.4 and the 6.7 Ford proposals are said to embody this arrangment.

"Tom" wrote in message

> the reference to a "427 calliope" is what threw me. i remember the 260
> calliope that was run in the early 60's in the open wheel cars, with the
> side mount carbs and exhaust up top where the intake should have been, and
> the Gurney 289's. but i never heard of the 3 valve calliope 427 Fe engine.
> wrote in message
>
>>I vaguely... and I do mean VAGUELY recalled the Calliope..
>>
>> So, I Googled "427 Calliope" and found there is some good info "in the
>> wild"...
>>
>> I do recall the dual camshafts... Two cams IN THE BLOCK in an over under
>> configuration - mistakenly considered a DOHC arrangement by some.
>>
>> The history of the Ottocycle engine is filled with amazing and wonderous
>> ventures and adventures... Pioneers like Zora Duntov, Smokey Yunick, Dan
>> Gurney, Offenhauser... too numerous to mention all of them. It is
>> reasonably safe to say that any idea one of us may dream up has already
>> been tried...
>>
>> Anyone remember the Chrysler "free piston" engine? How about the Bourke
>> engine... anyone realize people are still trying to redefine some of the
>> oddballs? Who has seen the crank arrangement on a radial engine? How
>> about that there are two different styles of rotary engine (at least).
>>
>> This stuff is amazing, all the same.
>>
>>
>> "nada" wrote in message
>>
>>> In the late 60s developed a 3 valve 427 with two camshafts, one above
>>> the other. Two of the valves were intake one exhaust and operated off
>>> the top camshaft. It had 16 individual intake runners. One version had a
>>> oval or oblong valve, for lack of a better description, intake valve,
>>> that had two stems operating on the same layout.
>>> The engine was called a Callope, or something similar, 427. It was
>>> developed for LeMans, I seem to remember but was only used, in testing
>>> possibly and was outlawed.
>>> My recollections are from hot rod magazines,of the era possibly Popular
>>> Hot Rodding.
>>> Has anyone ever come across this engine or have access to articles on
>>> it?
>>
>>
>
>
 >> Stay informed about: 427s 

Perhaps it was morphed into the current 4.6L 3 valve 330 HP V8 use in the
Mustang, albeit with a single cam?


wrote in message

>I vaguely... and I do mean VAGUELY recalled the Calliope..
>
> So, I Googled "427 Calliope" and found there is some good info "in the
> wild"...
>
> I do recall the dual camshafts... Two cams IN THE BLOCK in an over under
> configuration - mistakenly considered a DOHC arrangement by some.
>
> The history of the Ottocycle engine is filled with amazing and wonderous
> ventures and adventures... Pioneers like Zora Duntov, Smokey Yunick, Dan
> Gurney, Offenhauser... too numerous to mention all of them. It is
> reasonably safe to say that any idea one of us may dream up has already
> been tried...
>
> Anyone remember the Chrysler "free piston" engine? How about the Bourke
> engine... anyone realize people are still trying to redefine some of the
> oddballs? Who has seen the crank arrangement on a radial engine? How about
> that there are two different styles of rotary engine (at least).
>
> This stuff is amazing, all the same.
>
>
> "nada" wrote in message
>
>> In the late 60s developed a 3 valve 427 with two camshafts, one above the
>> other. Two of the valves were intake one exhaust and operated off the top
>> camshaft. It had 16 individual intake runners. One version had a oval or
>> oblong valve, for lack of a better description, intake valve, that had
>> two stems operating on the same layout.
>> The engine was called a Callope, or something similar, 427. It was
>> developed for LeMans, I seem to remember but was only used, in testing
>> possibly and was outlawed.
>> My recollections are from hot rod magazines,of the era possibly Popular
>> Hot Rodding.
>> Has anyone ever come across this engine or have access to articles on it?
>
>
 >> Stay informed about: 427s