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Since: Aug 28, 2007 Posts: 14
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(Msg. 1) Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2007 12:08 pm
Post subject: 306 XSi too hot after fixing misfire problem Archived from groups: alt>autos>peugeot (more info?)
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Hi all
My '95 306 XSi has had a misfire/juddering acceleration problem
for more months than I'd care to admit to - from reading this
newsgroup & elsewhere I had been chasing down air leaks and other
possibles as causes of the problem. However after a casual comment
from a local garage I realised that the HT leads were sparking,
replaced the leads and - Bingo! My misfire is gone.
I report this here partly so others can know about this as a possible
caused. And I'm embarrassed for not trying the simpler things first.
However...
When the car was misfiring the engine would get hotter than I'd like -
up to around 110 or higher in town traffic - but I was able to keep
the temperature down by keeping in low gear & the revs outside the
misfire range. After I had the HT problem diagnosed I also replaced
the spark plugs, and reset the ECU, guessing that the misfire would
have 'miscalibrated' the ECU.
Now though, the engine is consistently running hot - 110 or greater,
and a couple of times it's hit the temperature at which the STOP light
comes on ;-(. My oil & water levels are good good and the engine seems
to be running well.
I'm guessing that fixing the misfire problem may be showing up this
temperature problem, or that they may be related. I was hoping that my
new sparkplugs & reset ECU approach would work, & now it hasn't I'm
wondering what to do next. Any suggestions?
Thanks
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Since: Oct 16, 2006 Posts: 85
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2007 8:55 pm
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not wanting to ask the obvious but is the electric cooling fan cutting in
when it should,
Only ask this as I had a Vauxhall many moons ago and if you watched the
temperature gauge then as soon as you saw it pass a certain point you new
the fan would cut in, plus it had a battery gauge so you could see the power
drain. Occasionally the fan would not cut in and it was usually a dirty
connections, once it was the relay that had failed
Anyway, its a fine line between the fan coming on and the engine
overheating.
GGJ
"jkn" wrote in message
> Hi all
> My '95 306 XSi has had a misfire/juddering acceleration problem
> for more months than I'd care to admit to - from reading this
> newsgroup & elsewhere I had been chasing down air leaks and other
> possibles as causes of the problem. However after a casual comment
> from a local garage I realised that the HT leads were sparking,
> replaced the leads and - Bingo! My misfire is gone.
>
> I report this here partly so others can know about this as a possible
> caused. And I'm embarrassed for not trying the simpler things first.
> However...
>
> When the car was misfiring the engine would get hotter than I'd like -
> up to around 110 or higher in town traffic - but I was able to keep
> the temperature down by keeping in low gear & the revs outside the
> misfire range. After I had the HT problem diagnosed I also replaced
> the spark plugs, and reset the ECU, guessing that the misfire would
> have 'miscalibrated' the ECU.
>
> Now though, the engine is consistently running hot - 110 or greater,
> and a couple of times it's hit the temperature at which the STOP light
> comes on ;-(. My oil & water levels are good good and the engine seems
> to be running well.
>
> I'm guessing that fixing the misfire problem may be showing up this
> temperature problem, or that they may be related. I was hoping that my
> new sparkplugs & reset ECU approach would work, & now it hasn't I'm
> wondering what to do next. Any suggestions?
>
> Thanks
> jon N
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Since: Aug 28, 2007 Posts: 14
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Wed Oct 31, 2007 4:15 am
Post subject: Re: 306 XSi too hot after fixing misfire problem [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
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Hi Gary
On Oct 30, 8:55 pm, "Gary G Jones"
wrote:
> not wanting to ask the obvious but is the electric cooling fan cutting in
> when it should,
[...]
AFAIK the fan is cutting in - at least it's can hear it running for a
few minutes when I switch the engine off!
I'll see if I can hear it cutting in in normal operation.
Thanks for your thoughts.
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Since: Dec 29, 2006 Posts: 154
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Wed Oct 31, 2007 5:23 pm
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"jkn" wrote in message
> Hi Gary
>
> On Oct 30, 8:55 pm, "Gary G Jones"
> wrote:
>> not wanting to ask the obvious but is the electric cooling fan cutting in
>> when it should,
>
> [...]
>
> AFAIK the fan is cutting in - at least it's can hear it running for a
> few minutes when I switch the engine off!
>
> I'll see if I can hear it cutting in in normal operation.
>
> Thanks for your thoughts.
>
> jon
It hasn't got two fans has it and only one working? Seems to be quite a
common Pug problem to do with relays.
--
Keith Willcocks
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Since: Aug 28, 2007 Posts: 14
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 5:13 am
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Hi Keith
> It hasn't got two fans has it and only one working? Seems to be quite a
> common Pug problem to do with relays.
>From unlatching the radiator slightly and peering behind, it only
seems to have one fan.
Some more experiments: I unclipped the connector from the radiator
thermostatic switch and shorted it; the fan started up fine. And it
runs for a few minutes after the engine has stopped. I've heard it
running whilst driving but haven't determined at what temperature it
cuts in.
I've just driven around 5miles/10 minutes (A roads mostly) from
'almost cold'. The temperature gauge has just hit 110. From feeling
around the radiator, the Right Hand Side (looking from the front) of
the radiator, including the hose, is pretty hot. The middle and LHS of
the radiator are cool.
I'm wondering if the thermostat is b*ggered?
Cheers
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Since: Dec 29, 2006 Posts: 154
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 5:41 pm
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"jkn" wrote in message
> Hi Keith
>
>> It hasn't got two fans has it and only one working? Seems to be quite a
>> common Pug problem to do with relays.
>
>>From unlatching the radiator slightly and peering behind, it only
> seems to have one fan.
>
> Some more experiments: I unclipped the connector from the radiator
> thermostatic switch and shorted it; the fan started up fine. And it
> runs for a few minutes after the engine has stopped. I've heard it
> running whilst driving but haven't determined at what temperature it
> cuts in.
>
> I've just driven around 5miles/10 minutes (A roads mostly) from
> 'almost cold'. The temperature gauge has just hit 110. From feeling
> around the radiator, the Right Hand Side (looking from the front) of
> the radiator, including the hose, is pretty hot. The middle and LHS of
> the radiator are cool.
>
> I'm wondering if the thermostat is b*ggered?
Does sound as if it is stuck in the closed position or not opening early
enough. I only know one way to test that. It involves removing it, a
cooker, a large saucepan and a cooks thermometer. The rest you can probably
work out for yourself. On my old Princess (the last time I had occasion
to test one) it was supposed to open as the water approached boiling,
bearing in mind it boils at a lower temperature than in the car because it
is not pressurised.
If the 306 is anything like the 406 watch out on refilling. On the 406,
because the water circulates higher than the filler cap, you have to
artificially raise the filling position. I believe plastic lemonade
bottles with their bottoms removed can be used provided that a good seal is
maintained where it enters the filler neck. You could, of course, also
stand the car on its tail ;o)
--
Keith Willcocks
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Since: Oct 16, 2006 Posts: 85
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 6:07 pm
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sounds like your thermostat is stuck closed as suggested. You could test it
using boiling water in a sauce pan , but to be honest I would just replace
it with a new one.
It could also be well worth it while you have the radiator pipes off to
blast a hose pipe through it from on side to the other and see if any crud
comes out of it, could find that half of the radiator is blocked with crud .
Best of luck, let us all know how you get on.
GGJ
"jkn" wrote in message
> Hi Keith
>
>> It hasn't got two fans has it and only one working? Seems to be quite a
>> common Pug problem to do with relays.
>
>>From unlatching the radiator slightly and peering behind, it only
> seems to have one fan.
>
> Some more experiments: I unclipped the connector from the radiator
> thermostatic switch and shorted it; the fan started up fine. And it
> runs for a few minutes after the engine has stopped. I've heard it
> running whilst driving but haven't determined at what temperature it
> cuts in.
>
> I've just driven around 5miles/10 minutes (A roads mostly) from
> 'almost cold'. The temperature gauge has just hit 110. From feeling
> around the radiator, the Right Hand Side (looking from the front) of
> the radiator, including the hose, is pretty hot. The middle and LHS of
> the radiator are cool.
>
> I'm wondering if the thermostat is b*ggered?
>
> Cheers
> jon N
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Since: Aug 28, 2007 Posts: 14
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Fri Nov 02, 2007 9:46 am
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Hi Guys
Thanks for the suggestions. I'm trying to locate a new thermostat
at the moment. Unfortunately the one for the 2L XSi seems to be hard
to come by ...
I had a look at the thermostat housing. On this model at least, on top
of the housing there's a small unscrewable knob, very like the top of
a toothpaste tube (though black plastic obviously). Any clues what
this is for?
Cheers
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Since: Sep 28, 2007 Posts: 21
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Fri Nov 02, 2007 6:59 pm
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jkn wrote:
> Hi Guys
> Thanks for the suggestions. I'm trying to locate a new thermostat
> at the moment. Unfortunately the one for the 2L XSi seems to be hard
> to come by ...
>
> I had a look at the thermostat housing. On this model at least, on top
> of the housing there's a small unscrewable knob, very like the top of
> a toothpaste tube (though black plastic obviously). Any clues what
> this is for?
>
> Cheers
> Jon N
>
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2007 4:35 am
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Hi Bob
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> Bleeding the cooling system
Thanks - I was guessing this might be so, & now I've found the right
pages in the Haynes manual
I'm actually wondering if the problem has been an airlock in the
cooling system all along. Things have been significantly better after
I loosened and refitted the small 'toothpaste' knob. I also note that
the hose from the thermostat gets 'properly hot', indicating I think
that the thermostat is operating.
Anyway, since a new thermostat is only 12 quid or so, I think I'll get
one and drain & flush the whole system anyway. I'll let you know how I
get on.
Cheers
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 7:18 pm
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