2nd Generation Hond Fit

On 11/29/2007 10:39 AM Grumpy AuContraire spake these words of knowledge:

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> Robert A. Cunningham wrote:
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>> "Tegger" <tegger RemoveThis @tegger.c0m> wrote in message
>> news:Xns99F6CAAD41E03tegger@207.14.116.130...
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>>>Dave Kelsen <invalid RemoveThis @invalid.invalid> wrote in
>>>news:474e0735$0$4978$4c368faf@roadrunner.com:
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>>>
>>>
>>>>The Pinto (which does refer to a horse, whereas maverick refers to a
>>>>cow)
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>>>
>>>Damn.
>>>
>>>For thirty-seven years now I thought the Maverick name had to do with
>>>horses (I'm a slow learner).
>>>
>>>Suddenly the "horns" in the Maverick logo make perfect sense.
>>>
>>>Boy do I feel stupid.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>--
>>>Tegger
>>>
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>> Don't feel so bad Tegger, I thought it was a horse also, and my 84 year old
>> mom owns a '74 Maverick. I feel even more stupid
>>
>> Robert A. Cunningham
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>
> ...and I always thought that it meant a "wayward" cowboy...
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> <G>
>
> JT

Well, it is a wayward cow. Boy.

RFT!!!
Dave Kelsen
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Dave Kelsen <invalid.DeleteThis@invalid.invalid> wrote in
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> You can't drink all day long if you don't start first thing in the
> morning!
>



Ever notice how when they say, "It's 5:00 somewhere in the world", they
never specify AM or PM? :^)

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Tegger wrote:
> Grumpy AuContraire <Grumpy DeleteThis @ExtraGrumpyville.com> wrote in
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>>Tegger wrote:
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>>I'm now developing a tranny whine. I believe it
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>>>to be the bearings. The noise is only between 45 and 50mph, on
>>>acceleration in any gear. It's only really noticeable once the tranny
>>>oil warms up, like when I come off the highway.
>>>
>>>However, I think 296,000 miles is a pretty good lifespan for a
>>>transmission, don't you? It'll be over 300,000 when I replace it in
>>>the spring...
>>>
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>>Sounds like pinion noise.
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>
> That's encouraging... but how can you tell?
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>


Just a gut feeling based on experience. Don't worry about it until
threatens to fail which may never happen..

JT
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Grumpy AuContraire <Grumpy DeleteThis @ExtraGrumpyville.com> wrote in news:ZMK3j.906
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>
> Tegger wrote:
>> Grumpy AuContraire <Grumpy DeleteThis @ExtraGrumpyville.com> wrote in
>> news:aRB3j.172162$kj1.68700@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net:
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>>>Sounds like pinion noise.
>>>
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>>
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>> That's encouraging... but how can you tell?
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>
> Just a gut feeling based on experience. Don't worry about it until
> threatens to fail which may never happen..
>



Fair enough. A used tranny will run me about $600, so if I can avoid that,
great.

What I don't know is how to tell the difference between worn bearings and a
worn diff.

Based on my experiences with worn wheel bearings, I'm guessing a worn
bearing in the tranny would be noisy pretty much any time I accelerate in
any gear at any speed. The tranny's shafts are quite short, so I'd think
any side-load would be transmitted to all the bearings fairly equally.

I once had an '82 Toyota Corolla SR5 that developed two worn 5th gear
bearings. In those cases, the bearing was noisy any time I was in that
gear. So long as I was out of 5th, the bearing was not under side-load and
was quiet. The shafts of that RWD tranny were fairly long, leading me to
believe bearing loads were more likely than in my 'Teg to be localized to a
single bearing.


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Tegger wrote:
> Grumpy AuContraire <Grumpy DeleteThis @ExtraGrumpyville.com> wrote in news:ZMK3j.906
> $MJ6.551@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net:
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>>
>>Tegger wrote:
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>>>Grumpy AuContraire <Grumpy DeleteThis @ExtraGrumpyville.com> wrote in
>>>news:aRB3j.172162$kj1.68700@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net:
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> .
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>>>>Sounds like pinion noise.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>That's encouraging... but how can you tell?
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>Just a gut feeling based on experience. Don't worry about it until
>>threatens to fail which may never happen..
>>
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> Fair enough. A used tranny will run me about $600, so if I can avoid that,
> great.
>
> What I don't know is how to tell the difference between worn bearings and a
> worn diff.
>
> Based on my experiences with worn wheel bearings, I'm guessing a worn
> bearing in the tranny would be noisy pretty much any time I accelerate in
> any gear at any speed. The tranny's shafts are quite short, so I'd think
> any side-load would be transmitted to all the bearings fairly equally.
>
> I once had an '82 Toyota Corolla SR5 that developed two worn 5th gear
> bearings. In those cases, the bearing was noisy any time I was in that
> gear. So long as I was out of 5th, the bearing was not under side-load and
> was quiet. The shafts of that RWD tranny were fairly long, leading me to
> believe bearing loads were more likely than in my 'Teg to be localized to a
> single bearing.
>
>


If you're concerned.. You can just be on the look out for a tranny at a
better price. Your car's age is probably just beginning to slip out of a
JDM replacement which might include an engine since you are approaching
that point as well.

You oughta hear the tranny in my '83... I shoulda got suspicious as this
car sported a "Duke" sticker on the back glass. That puppy did not
receive tender treatment.. The tranny on the '82 OTOH is quiet as a
mouse but then again, this car was purchased from the original owner but
unfortunately is a "bare bones," (not even a DX), vehicle with four speed.

No one can fault achieving 300K miles as a lousy deal. You got your
money's worth plus some. OTOH, sheeple just trade in and keep an active
payment book...

<G>

JT
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Grumpy AuContraire <Grumpy DeleteThis @ExtraGrumpyville.com> wrote in
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> If you're concerned.. You can just be on the look out for a tranny at
> a better price. Your car's age is probably just beginning to slip out
> of a JDM replacement which might include an engine since you are
> approaching that point as well.



Drop-in JDM is getting extreemely difficult to find for my car; it's too
old.


>
> You oughta hear the tranny in my '83... I shoulda got suspicious as
> this car sported a "Duke" sticker on the back glass. That puppy did
> not receive tender treatment.. The tranny on the '82 OTOH is quiet as
> a mouse but then again, this car was purchased from the original owner
> but unfortunately is a "bare bones," (not even a DX), vehicle with
> four speed.
>
> No one can fault achieving 300K miles as a lousy deal. You got your
> money's worth plus some. OTOH, sheeple just trade in and keep an
> active payment book...
>


Somebody in rec.autos.tech suggested the diff bearings, which sounds
plausible.

I'm just going to live with it and be gentle with my acceleration in order
to put as little side-load on the bearings as possible.


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Tegger wrote:
> Grumpy AuContraire <Grumpy DeleteThis @ExtraGrumpyville.com> wrote in
> news:SRW3j.177877$kj1.108684@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net:
>
>
>>
>>If you're concerned.. You can just be on the look out for a tranny at
>>a better price. Your car's age is probably just beginning to slip out
>>of a JDM replacement which might include an engine since you are
>>approaching that point as well.
>
>
>
>
> Drop-in JDM is getting extreemely difficult to find for my car; it's too
> old.
>
>
>
>>You oughta hear the tranny in my '83... I shoulda got suspicious as
>>this car sported a "Duke" sticker on the back glass. That puppy did
>>not receive tender treatment.. The tranny on the '82 OTOH is quiet as
>>a mouse but then again, this car was purchased from the original owner
>>but unfortunately is a "bare bones," (not even a DX), vehicle with
>>four speed.
>>
>>No one can fault achieving 300K miles as a lousy deal. You got your
>>money's worth plus some. OTOH, sheeple just trade in and keep an
>>active payment book...
>>
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>
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> Somebody in rec.autos.tech suggested the diff bearings, which sounds
> plausible.
>

Most likely pinion..


> I'm just going to live with it and be gentle with my acceleration in order
> to put as little side-load on the bearings as possible.
>

Don't lose a lot of sleep over it... They'll probably out last you!

JT
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Grumpy AuContraire <Grumpy.TakeThisOut@ExtraGrumpyville.com> wrote in
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>
> Tegger wrote:
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>> Somebody in rec.autos.tech suggested the diff bearings, which sounds
>> plausible.
>>
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> Most likely pinion..



You mean the pinion itself, not the bearings which hold the pinion in
place...?


>
>
>> I'm just going to live with it and be gentle with my acceleration in
>> order to put as little side-load on the bearings as possible.
>>
>
> Don't lose a lot of sleep over it... They'll probably out last you!
>


If it's in fact the pinion itself.

I'm kind of interested in the experience you have that tells you it's the
pinion and not the bearings.


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Tegger wrote:
> Grumpy AuContraire <Grumpy.DeleteThis@ExtraGrumpyville.com> wrote in
> news:_l%4j.197105$kj1.144050@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net:
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>>
>>Tegger wrote:
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> .
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>>>
>>>
>>>Somebody in rec.autos.tech suggested the diff bearings, which sounds
>>>plausible.
>>>
>>
>>Most likely pinion..
>
>
>
>
> You mean the pinion itself, not the bearings which hold the pinion in
> place...?
>
>
>
>>
>>>I'm just going to live with it and be gentle with my acceleration in
>>>order to put as little side-load on the bearings as possible.
>>>
>>
>>Don't lose a lot of sleep over it... They'll probably out last you!
>>
>
>
>
> If it's in fact the pinion itself.
>
> I'm kind of interested in the experience you have that tells you it's the
> pinion and not the bearings.
>
>

Bearings, which eventully will lead to pinion gear noise.

Not a big concern at this point..

JT
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Grumpy AuContraire <Grumpy.RemoveThis@ExtraGrumpyville.com> wrote in
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>
> Tegger wrote:

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>> I'm kind of interested in the experience you have that tells you it's
>> the pinion and not the bearings.
>>
>>
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> Bearings, which eventully will lead to pinion gear noise.
>
> Not a big concern at this point..
>


The noise isn't that bad, it's just noticeable.

I'm going to leave it until it gets really annoying then replace the
tranny. Hopefully I can get a couple more years out of it.

Thanks.



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