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(Msg. 1) Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 1:55 pm
Post subject: 2008 civic tires  Add to elertz
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Have Goodyear Eagle RS-A tires from the factory on my civic. They are
absolutely HORRIBLE on ice. I live in Manitoba, Canada. They hadn't been
too bad until now because the highways are very icy this time of year (lots
of days when the temp is at or near freezing, lots of wind to polish the
roads).
After reading up on these tires, they are pretty much horrible all around,
unless you drive on perfectly dry pavement all year round. Usually I take
reviews such as this with a grain of salt, as my experience has been very
different from the reviews in the past. However, this time it seems they are
right on the money!
Anyone else concur on this?
Do I have any recourse other than shelling out $800 for new tires and
throwing these brand new tires into the garbage? Thinking about talking to
the dealer.
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 1:55 pm
Post subject: Re: 2008 civic tires Add to elertz [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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loewent wrote:
> Have Goodyear Eagle RS-A tires from the factory on my civic. They are
> absolutely HORRIBLE on ice. I live in Manitoba, Canada. They hadn't been
> too bad until now because the highways are very icy this time of year (lots
> of days when the temp is at or near freezing, lots of wind to polish the
> roads).
>
> After reading up on these tires, they are pretty much horrible all around,
> unless you drive on perfectly dry pavement all year round. Usually I take
> reviews such as this with a grain of salt, as my experience has been very
> different from the reviews in the past. However, this time it seems they are
> right on the money!
>
> Anyone else concur on this?
>
> Do I have any recourse other than shelling out $800 for new tires and
> throwing these brand new tires into the garbage? Thinking about talking to
> the dealer.
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You buy four snow tires and put you All-Seasons in the garage for the
winter. You didn't understand why so many cars in Manitoba are driving
around with ugly steel wheels all winter? Their alloys with All-seasons
are in STROAGE.
All seasons aren't usable in Manitoba in the winter. Why do you think
Quebec just made snow tires mandatory? Go to www.cbc.ca/marketplace and
watch the documentary from three weeks ago.
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Thu Mar 06, 2008 6:02 am
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You realize that Honda sells cars in almost every country on the
planet, right? And during all 4 seasons? Is it their responsibility to
put tires on their car that match the country and season in which it
is being sold? Most manufacturers put tires on that will satisfy most
conditions. It's up to the owner to ensure that their car is prepared
for the various seasons. So, in winter, you put in rubber floor mats.
Check the windshield washer fluid more frequently. Adjust your driving
style to the conditions. Make sure you have appropriate tires. Etc.
Maybe you should have kept the Lumina if it was so great on 'ice'.
Dan D
'07 Ody EX
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Thu Mar 06, 2008 9:15 am
Post subject: Re: 2008 civic tires Add to elertz [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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loewent via CarKB.com wrote:
<SNIP>
> I appreciate the opportunity to bitch along with everyone else about the poor
> quality of tires coming from the factory, and I think that includes any make,
> not just Honda. As I recall, the factory tires on my 98 civic were not so
> great either (Firestone FR680s), but nothing compared to these Goodyears.
>
> Also want to get the word out, so people can change tires if required and
> don't end up killing themselves. Or, heaven forbid, get Honda to spend a
> couple extra bucks and put decent tires on from the factory.
>
> Terry near Winnipeg
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Well said. You'll only be safe / happy once you put on real snow tires,
preferably on dedicated rims. Then you can GRIN when other poor slobs
are stuck / spinning out / scared to drive in winter. Hopefully your
winter is close to finished. Edmonton has been nice for a couple days
but I ain't switching my tires back yet.
Anyhow, you've got several months to scare up some cheap rims for NEXT
WINTER.
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 8:10 am
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On Mar 6, 10:13 am, "loewent via CarKB.com" <u10197@uwe> wrote:
> "Is it their responsibility to put tires on their car that match the country
> and season in which it is being sold?"
>
> Uhhhh, YEAH! This is pretty ridiculous argument. I happen to work for an
> OEM heavy equipment manufacturer, and of course we engineer our product to
> ensure it will operate correctly in the market we sell it in.
>
> Its called the NHTSA, and Transport Canada... These organizations are in
> place to make sure this happens.
>
> Wow....
>
> t
>
> Dano58 wrote:
> >You realize that Honda sells cars in almost every country on the
> >planet, right? And during all 4 seasons? Is it their responsibility to
> >put tires on their car that match the country and season in which it
> >is being sold? Most manufacturers put tires on that will satisfy most
> >conditions. It's up to the owner to ensure that their car is prepared
> >for the various seasons. So, in winter, you put in rubber floor mats.
> >Check the windshield washer fluid more frequently. Adjust your driving
> >style to the conditions. Make sure you have appropriate tires. Etc.
>
> >Maybe you should have kept the Lumina if it was so great on 'ice'.
>
> >Dan D
> >'07 Ody EX
> >Central NJ USA
Ok, so you think that Honda needs to plan ahead, with a Civic made in
Japan in, say, August and say - "Ok, this car is being shipped to
Manitoba Canada and will in all liklihood be sold in January, so we
better put snow tires on it. This next one, now, is being shipped to
Florida so we can put all-season tires on it"?? If this is what you
think, then you are being ridiculous. As I noted, they engineer the
cars to work with tires that will satisfy MOST conditions, not
necessarily the extremes. And for sure not by the season in which it
MAY be sold. which was also my point.
Living in Canada, I would have thought you'd know to put snow tires on
your car. I sure did when I lived in New England and Upstate NY. NJ?
Not so much... 
Dan D
'07 Ody EX
Central NJ USA >> Stay informed about: 2008 civic tires |
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Sat Mar 08, 2008 5:55 am
Post subject: Re: 2008 civic tires Add to elertz [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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On Fri, 7 Mar 2008 08:10:52 -0800 (PST), Dano58
<dan.dibiase.DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Mar 6, 10:13 am, "loewent via CarKB.com" <u10197@uwe> wrote:
>> "Is it their responsibility to put tires on their car that match the country
>> and season in which it is being sold?"
>>
>> Uhhhh, YEAH! This is pretty ridiculous argument. I happen to work for an
>> OEM heavy equipment manufacturer, and of course we engineer our product to
>> ensure it will operate correctly in the market we sell it in.
>>
>> Its called the NHTSA, and Transport Canada... These organizations are in
>> place to make sure this happens.
>>
>> Wow....
>>
>> t
>>
>> Dano58 wrote:
>> >You realize that Honda sells cars in almost every country on the
>> >planet, right? And during all 4 seasons? Is it their responsibility to
>> >put tires on their car that match the country and season in which it
>> >is being sold? Most manufacturers put tires on that will satisfy most
>> >conditions. It's up to the owner to ensure that their car is prepared
>> >for the various seasons. So, in winter, you put in rubber floor mats.
>> >Check the windshield washer fluid more frequently. Adjust your driving
>> >style to the conditions. Make sure you have appropriate tires. Etc.
>>
>> >Maybe you should have kept the Lumina if it was so great on 'ice'.
>>
>> >Dan D
>> >'07 Ody EX
>> >Central NJ USA
>
>
>Ok, so you think that Honda needs to plan ahead, with a Civic made in
>Japan in, say, August and say - "Ok, this car is being shipped to
>Manitoba Canada and will in all liklihood be sold in January, so we
>better put snow tires on it. This next one, now, is being shipped to
>Florida so we can put all-season tires on it"?? If this is what you
>think, then you are being ridiculous. As I noted, they engineer the
>cars to work with tires that will satisfy MOST conditions, not
>necessarily the extremes. And for sure not by the season in which it
>MAY be sold. which was also my point.
>
>Living in Canada, I would have thought you'd know to put snow tires on
>your car. I sure did when I lived in New England and Upstate NY. NJ?
>Not so much...
>
>Dan D
>'07 Ody EX
>Central NJ USA
Doesn't the concept of 'suiutable for the purpose for which it is
intended apply?'. Perhaps it is not the manufacturers' specific
responsibility to equip the vehicle with the necessary tires, or
whatever, to make it suitable for environment in which it is sold as
they are not the vendor, but it sure is the dealers' responsibility.
Of course tires are a very grey area. I suppose you could make the
argument that using summer tires in snow and ice is safe, provided you
drive in an ultra cautious manner. One for the lawyers I guess! >> Stay informed about: 2008 civic tires |
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Sat Mar 08, 2008 7:07 am
Post subject: Re: 2008 civic tires Add to elertz [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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"Edward W. Thompson" wrote
> Doesn't the concept of 'suiutable for the purpose for which it is
> intended apply?'. Perhaps it is not the manufacturers' specific
> responsibility to equip the vehicle with the necessary tires, or
> whatever, to make it suitable for environment in which it is sold as
> they are not the vendor, but it sure is the dealers' responsibility.
It *could* be the dealer's responsibility, or at the request of the buyer.
My dad owned a tire store. He worked closely with some nearby car dealers
whose customers requested better tires for their newly purchased car. My dad
took those cars' tires, called "takeoffs," and sold the car dealer the
premium tires. So it is possible, if the dealer will do so, to get the
desired tires on the car at the time of purchase. >> Stay informed about: 2008 civic tires |
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