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(Msg. 16) Posted: Sat May 10, 2008 6:46 pm
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Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
> In article <4825b408$0$30507$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>,
> Don R <don RemoveThis @nowhere.com> wrote:
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>>On a personal note, my 1975 Honda Civic, bough new during the last gas
>>crunch, got 30 mpg no matter where I drove it.
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>
> Yep.
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> I had a bunch of 79 Civics. Great cars. Manual choke worked great.
> And you couldn't kill the engines. Know when it's time to add oil?
> When you take a hard right turn and the light flickers on the dash. Oil
> changes? Naw, the car does that itself. Just add as needed.
>
> The front frame member, though, now that was another matter. At least
> Honda owned up to it and replaced it free of charge, even years later.
> THEY understood that was cheaper than paying for the lawsuits and
> getting a bad rep.
>
> Same with the gas tanks that rusted underneath the metal straps.
>
My first Honda was a '76 Civic CVCC that I bought from a friend who
bought it new. It had 88K on the odometer when I got it and it survived
until it hit 160K a few years later in '87 when the rust was truly
becoming a safety issue.
It got a solid 30mpg around town and could do about 35mpg on the highway.
When I put my "reconditioned" '82 Gen 2 Civic on the road, I have been
getting a consistent 40mpg in mixed driving. I do notice a slight
increase when I dropped my average speed to 60mph as opposed to 70mph
and a little more.
If I were to put the original engine back in, I expect that I would get
closer to the range that Honda claimed for the FE models, (42 city and
55 highway). I base this on a friend's experience who bought an '82 FE,
loaded it up with personal possessions and headed to California. He
average around 50 mpg.
So, as long as my little beater keeps on tickin'... I'm gonna avoid the
banker that rides in so many back seats..
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(Msg. 17) Posted: Sat May 10, 2008 6:56 pm
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(Msg. 18) Posted: Sat May 10, 2008 7:01 pm
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Show me one that is cleaner.
"Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop DeleteThis @nastydesigns.com> wrote in message
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> "Justbob30" <NoThank DeleteThis @you.com> wrote:
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>> With the Civic hybrid, you are also gaining a smartway plus car which is
>> the
>> cleanest car (I believe) on the road right now per the EPA.
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> Mmmmm, I would doubt that.
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(Msg. 19) Posted: Sat May 10, 2008 7:15 pm
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Actually, I called it smart way plus, The Honda Civic is actually smart way
elite & the only 48 state car in this class, the Prius (like many others) is
simply a smart way car with a rating of 8 vs the Hondas rating of 9.
http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/sbs.htm
http://www.epa.gov/greenvehicles/Index.do
I could only go back to the 2000 Civic HX but its rating was 8 (same as
Prius) so there you go.
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> "Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop RemoveThis @nastydesigns.com> wrote in message
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>> In article <w-mdnUSnGY3qarjVnZ2dnUVZ_siknZ2d RemoveThis @comcast.com>,
>> "Justbob30" <NoThank RemoveThis @you.com> wrote:
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>>> With the Civic hybrid, you are also gaining a smartway plus car which is
>>> the
>>> cleanest car (I believe) on the road right now per the EPA.
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>> Mmmmm, I would doubt that.
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(Msg. 20) Posted: Sat May 10, 2008 7:54 pm
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Sorry, YOU may not need a/c, I do......I have 4 months of summer in the 80's
& 90's, 8 months of winter, spring & fall but I refuse to drive a
uncomfortable car, I use my a/c even when it is cold, it keeps ALL the
windows clear.
But I guess since it is the day for generalizations I can say, not everyone
needs a heater, after all, it is only below 10 here a couple months out of
the year.
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> Waiving the right to remain silent, "Elmo P. Shagnasty"
> <elmop DeleteThis @nastydesigns.com> said:
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>> In article <Xns9A9A78E9227F6thefrogprince DeleteThis @69.28.173.184>,
>> Larry in AZ <usenet2 DeleteThis @DE.LETE.THISljvideo.com> wrote:
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>>> > So the smart fortwo, here in the US, is just a big, expensive
>>> > scooter. I guess if you have the cash for a spare two seat scooter
>>> > and have the garage space for an occasional toy, that's fine.
>>>
>>> They DO NOT offer air conditioners. During our 5 months of above 90
>>> degree temperatures here, they'd be useless.
>>
>> Ah, I forgot.
>>
>> Indeed. So you can have 33mpg with no AC, or 45mpg WITH AC.
>>
>> Fascinating. And yet, people still buy them.
>
> Most people don't really need AC.
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> "A lack of common sense is now considered a disability,
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(Msg. 21) Posted: Sat May 10, 2008 8:04 pm
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Larry in AZ wrote:
> Waiving the right to remain silent, Grumpy AuContraire
> <Grumpy RemoveThis @ExtraGrumpyville.com> said:
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>> My first Honda was a '76 Civic CVCC that I bought from a friend who
>> bought it new. It had 88K on the odometer when I got it and it survived
>> until it hit 160K a few years later in '87 when the rust was truly
>> becoming a safety issue.
>>
>> It got a solid 30mpg around town and could do about 35mpg on the highway.
>
> My first Honda was an AN600, bought new in 1971. $1,300 out-the-door, and
> one of the first 200 Honda cars ever imported into the USA.
>
> http://flickr.com/photos/larrythefrog/477777904/
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> It got an easy 40mpg, closer to 50mpg downhill, with a strong tail wind. 
My dad's Pontiac Bonneville gets 70 mpg going downhill, according to the
computer display.
And it does well going uphill, if it being towed by a tow truck.
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(Msg. 22) Posted: Sat May 10, 2008 10:50 pm
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In 8 states, there are a lot more states where the Prius is not as clean
with its 8 rating.
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> "Justbob30" <NoThank RemoveThis @you.com> wrote:
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>> "Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop RemoveThis @nastydesigns.com> wrote in message
>> news:elmop-8A4970.16174110052008@nntp9.usenetserver.com...
>> > In article <w-mdnUSnGY3qarjVnZ2dnUVZ_siknZ2d RemoveThis @comcast.com>,
>> > "Justbob30" <NoThank RemoveThis @you.com> wrote:
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>> >> With the Civic hybrid, you are also gaining a smartway plus car which
>> >> is
>> >> the
>> >> cleanest car (I believe) on the road right now per the EPA.
>> >
>> > Mmmmm, I would doubt that.
>> >
>> Show me one that is cleaner.
>
> Well, I'm not sure what you mean by a "smartway plus car". Oh, I
> see--the EPA has this rating they call "Smartway".
>
> Well, according to the EPA and its Green Vehicle Guide, both the Civic
> Hybrid and the Prius are rated Smartway Elite--but dig down and you'll
> see that the Prius is a tad cleaner and uses less fuel. It's also
> larger and has more luggage space.
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(Msg. 24) Posted: Sun May 11, 2008 2:52 am
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Larry in AZ wrote:
> Waiving the right to remain silent, Grumpy AuContraire
> <Grumpy DeleteThis @ExtraGrumpyville.com> said:
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>>My first Honda was a '76 Civic CVCC that I bought from a friend who
>>bought it new. It had 88K on the odometer when I got it and it survived
>>until it hit 160K a few years later in '87 when the rust was truly
>>becoming a safety issue.
>>
>>It got a solid 30mpg around town and could do about 35mpg on the highway.
>
>
> My first Honda was an AN600, bought new in 1971. $1,300 out-the-door, and
> one of the first 200 Honda cars ever imported into the USA.
>
> http://flickr.com/photos/larrythefrog/477777904/
>
> It got an easy 40mpg, closer to 50mpg downhill, with a strong tail wind.
>
Back in 1969, I was doing documentary film work in Micronesia and we
rented a small Honda for about six weeks when in Koror, (Palau). It had
no brakes but other than that, it ran flawlessly. Had a motorcycle air
cooled engine, (two cylinder).
I knew then that American automakers were going to have a challenged
future...
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(Msg. 25) Posted: Sun May 11, 2008 1:14 pm
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> Hi;
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> We are considering buying a 2008 civic. Could you please tell me the
> gas mileage you get for city driving? My wife drives mostly around
> town and is hoping for about 30 mpg. The sticker EPA Estimate reads
> 25, so I will probably get something else if that is all it gets. I
> was told the EPA estimates have changed and it will probably get
> better than that, but guess who told me that...yeah ...the salesman:-)
>
> We are looking at the LX model with a 4 cylinder 1.8 engine.
>
> Thanks for any knowledge.
> Pat
My Wife has a 2008 Civic LX 1.8 with ~15,000 miles. Her commute is 35 miles
in the country with few stoplights and an average 50 mph speed. She is a
very conservative driver. She claims to be doing better than 33 mpg on her
commute over the last 5000 miles. She is a Ph.D. engineer and has good
credibility with data. My 2003 Civic Si 2.0 160 hp consistently gets 24 mpg
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(Msg. 26) Posted: Sun May 11, 2008 2:50 pm
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"Enrico Fermi" wrote
> My Wife has a 2008 Civic LX 1.8 with ~15,000 miles. Her commute is 35
miles
> in the country with few stoplights and an average 50 mph speed. She is a
> very conservative driver. She claims to be doing better than 33 mpg on her
> commute over the last 5000 miles.
This surprises me in a bad way. I had a '97 Civic EX (manual) and got 32 in
town, regularly. The commute over the 10 mile stretch has a fair amount of
smooth 40 mph stretches through about 15 stoplights. The 10 mile return
commute is much more stop and go. Still, I got 32. On the highway at 65 -75
I'd get about 38. If your wife's Civic is only getting 32 under the
described conditions, Civics' mileage appears to really have fallen off over
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On 2008-05-11, Howard Lester <heylester.TakeThisOut@dakotacom.net> wrote:
> "Enrico Fermi" wrote
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> > My Wife has a 2008 Civic LX 1.8 with ~15,000 miles. Her commute is 35
> miles
>> in the country with few stoplights and an average 50 mph speed. She is a
>> very conservative driver. She claims to be doing better than 33 mpg on her
>> commute over the last 5000 miles.
>
> This surprises me in a bad way. I had a '97 Civic EX (manual) and got 32 in
> town, regularly. The commute over the 10 mile stretch has a fair amount of
> smooth 40 mph stretches through about 15 stoplights. The 10 mile return
> commute is much more stop and go. Still, I got 32. On the highway at 65 -75
> I'd get about 38. If your wife's Civic is only getting 32 under the
> described conditions, Civics' mileage appears to really have fallen off over
> the last 10 years.
There was no way to avoid it. The civic now is a much larger and
heavier car than 10 years ago. My Si is over 3200 Pounds. I average
about 26 MPG in mixed driving, and about 32 straight highway. I don't
drive conservatively most of the time. The EX and lower should do a
bit better than that, with the smaller engines, but it still isn't
near as good as the older, smaller civics...
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Joe wrote:
> On 2008-05-11, Howard Lester <heylester.RemoveThis@dakotacom.net> wrote:
>> "Enrico Fermi" wrote
>>
>>> My Wife has a 2008 Civic LX 1.8 with ~15,000 miles. Her commute is 35
>> miles
>>> in the country with few stoplights and an average 50 mph speed. She is a
>>> very conservative driver. She claims to be doing better than 33 mpg on her
>>> commute over the last 5000 miles.
>> This surprises me in a bad way. I had a '97 Civic EX (manual) and got 32 in
>> town, regularly. The commute over the 10 mile stretch has a fair amount of
>> smooth 40 mph stretches through about 15 stoplights. The 10 mile return
>> commute is much more stop and go. Still, I got 32. On the highway at 65 -75
>> I'd get about 38. If your wife's Civic is only getting 32 under the
>> described conditions, Civics' mileage appears to really have fallen off over
>> the last 10 years.
>
> There was no way to avoid it. The civic now is a much larger and
> heavier car than 10 years ago. My Si is over 3200 Pounds. I average
> about 26 MPG in mixed driving, and about 32 straight highway. I don't
> drive conservatively most of the time. The EX and lower should do a
> bit better than that, with the smaller engines, but it still isn't
> near as good as the older, smaller civics...
>
>
>
i drove to los angeles from sfo and back this weekend - 400 miles each
way. 40.3mpg trip average. 89 civic, 2,187lbs hatchback automatic.
that was sticking to the speed limit - if i go faster, it drops, but
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(Msg. 29) Posted: Sun May 11, 2008 10:23 pm
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On 2008-05-12, jim beam <spamvortex.RemoveThis@bad.example.net> wrote:
> i drove to los angeles from sfo and back this weekend - 400 miles each
> way. 40.3mpg trip average. 89 civic, 2,187lbs hatchback automatic.
>
> that was sticking to the speed limit - if i go faster, it drops, but
> that's not bad for a 19 year old clunker.
>
Not bad at all. The old ones did a great job with fuel economy. It's
a tough call. Americans seem to want bigger cars, and they absolutely
expect the added safety equipment (6 airbags, crumple zones, etc), but
now with the higher fuel prices we are seeing a heavy trend towards
smaller cars. There have to be tradeoffs. It's just a matter of how
much people are willing to give up to save some money at the pump...
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(Msg. 30) Posted: Sun May 11, 2008 10:23 pm
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Joe wrote:
> On 2008-05-12, jim beam <spamvortex RemoveThis @bad.example.net> wrote:
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>> i drove to los angeles from sfo and back this weekend - 400 miles each
>> way. 40.3mpg trip average. 89 civic, 2,187lbs hatchback automatic.
>>
>> that was sticking to the speed limit - if i go faster, it drops, but
>> that's not bad for a 19 year old clunker.
>>
>
> Not bad at all. The old ones did a great job with fuel economy. It's
> a tough call. Americans seem to want bigger cars, and they absolutely
> expect the added safety equipment (6 airbags, crumple zones, etc), but
> now with the higher fuel prices we are seeing a heavy trend towards
> smaller cars. There have to be tradeoffs. It's just a matter of how
> much people are willing to give up to save some money at the pump...
>
>
modern engines are much more efficient than the 20+ year old ones - much
more sophisticated control and better design. those engines in
lightweight bodies with skinnier tires that old honda wishbone
suspension could utilize more effectively, and you have the potential
for great fuel economy. i've been considering an engine transplant
accordingly, but transplanting the accompanying electronics is decidedly
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