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IDG

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Sun Aug 15, 2010 3:23 pm
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When I park overnight on a steep hill with the car angled so that the drivers side is lower than the passengers side I see no smoke when starting in the morning. However, if I park the opposite way, with the passenger side lower than the drivers side I see a significant amount on white smoke when starting the first time. There is a good amount of smoke, which then dissapates and does not reappear until the following morning. Headgasket, tubo seals, something else? Any help appreciated.

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Sun Aug 15, 2010 6:31 pm
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On 8/15/2010 3:23 PM, IDG wrote:
> When I park overnight on a steep hill with the car angled so that the drivers side is lower than the passengers side I see no smoke when starting in the morning. However, if I park the opposite way, with the passenger side lower than the drivers side I see a significant amount on white smoke when starting the first time. There is a good amount of smoke, which then dissapates and does not reappear until the following morning. Headgasket, tubo seals, something else? Any help appreciated.
>
> Thanks.
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Sounds like some oil in the driver side valve cover is getting past the
valve seals as the car sits, and into the combustion chamber. When the
engine is first started that oil burns off, producing the white smoke.
Depending on how many miles are on the car, and whether it consumes any
oil otherwise, it may not be worth doing anything about. Even if the
valve seals are leaking a bit, replacing them is a labor-intensive job
that makes no sense to do by itself, but rather as part of either a
cylinder head or total engine overhaul.

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Sun Aug 15, 2010 6:31 pm
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On Aug 15, 5:31 pm, "mul...@x.files" wrote:
> On 8/15/2010 3:23 PM, IDG wrote:
>
> > When I park overnight on a steep hill with the car angled so that the drivers side is lower than the passengers side I see no smoke when starting in the morning.  However, if I park the opposite way, with the passenger side lower than the drivers side I see a significant amount on white smoke when starting the first time.  There is a good amount of smoke, which then dissapates and does not reappear until the following morning.  Headgasket, tubo seals, something else?  Any help appreciated.
>
> > Thanks.
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> Sounds like some oil in the driver side valve cover is getting past the
> valve seals as the car sits, and into the combustion chamber. When the
> engine is first started that oil burns off, producing the white smoke.
> Depending on how many miles are on the car, and whether it consumes any
> oil otherwise, it may not be worth doing anything about. Even if the
> valve seals are leaking a bit, replacing them is a labor-intensive job
> that makes no sense to do by itself, but rather as part of either a
> cylinder head or total engine overhaul.

Could be the turbo oil return thingee.
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Sun Aug 15, 2010 8:03 pm
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On 8/15/2010 7:09 PM, johninky wrote:
> On Aug 15, 5:31 pm, "mul...@x.files" wrote:
>> On 8/15/2010 3:23 PM, IDG wrote:
>>
>>> When I park overnight on a steep hill with the car angled so that the drivers side is lower than the passengers side I see no smoke when starting in the morning. However, if I park the opposite way, with the passenger side lower than the drivers side I see a significant amount on white smoke when starting the first time. There is a good amount of smoke, which then dissapates and does not reappear until the following morning. Headgasket, tubo seals, something else? Any help appreciated.
>>
>>> Thanks.
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>> Sounds like some oil in the driver side valve cover is getting past the
>> valve seals as the car sits, and into the combustion chamber. When the
>> engine is first started that oil burns off, producing the white smoke.
>> Depending on how many miles are on the car, and whether it consumes any
>> oil otherwise, it may not be worth doing anything about. Even if the
>> valve seals are leaking a bit, replacing them is a labor-intensive job
>> that makes no sense to do by itself, but rather as part of either a
>> cylinder head or total engine overhaul.
>
> Could be the turbo oil return thingee.

Don't think so, even if oil somehow backed up in the oil return it
wouldn't get into the intake or cylinders. Plus the turbo is on the
passenger side of the engine, so with the driver side being lower the
oil would be draining away from the turbo anyway.
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Sun Aug 15, 2010 9:11 pm
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Note (to the OP): The ridiculous lack of proper *physical* line wrapping
by IDG's extremely poor choice of newsreader for posting was corrected
in my reply.

mulder wrote:

> IDG wrote:
>>
>> When I park overnight on a steep hill with the car angled so that the
>> drivers side is lower than the passengers side I see no smoke when
>> starting in the morning. However, if I park the opposite way, with
>> the passenger side lower than the drivers side I see a significant
>> amount on white smoke when starting the first time. There is a good
>> amount of smoke, which then dissapates and does not reappear until
>> the following morning. Headgasket, tubo seals, something else? Any
>> help appreciated.
>>
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An extremely poor choice of newsreader by the OP when posting questions
or for any discussion. Plus it makes spam all your posts with its
non-signature spam garbage at the end of your posts. Your post *is*
spam because you are a spam affiliate for GrabIt in all your posts when
using it.

> Sounds like some oil in the driver side valve cover is getting past the
> valve seals as the car sits, and into the combustion chamber. When the
> engine is first started that oil burns off, producing the white smoke.

Oil? Since when does engine oil burn white (at temperatures produced in
automobiles)? Isn't white smoke the sign of a coolant leak? If
antifreeze is getting into the cylinder then you see white smoke from
the exhaust.

Black smoke = burning oil
Blue smoke = burning transmission fluid
White smoke = water vapor burnoff if short-lived and immediate), or a
coolant leak from gasket leak, cracked block, or cracked
head (if not immediate and starts after engine gets hot)

To the OP:

If the white smoke has no or little smell and only lasts a minute after
you start the car when cold then it's accumulated water. Coolant has a
sweet smell.

When you burn gasoline you generate water vapor and why those promoting
water-fueled cars are idiots because they don't want you to know that
your engine already produces water and doesn't need it again. What
those "water-burning" kits actually do is further lean out the mixture
which is very bad to do in the already highly regulated combustion
engines in commuter cars. See:

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.autos.subaru/msg/b53e58f1b34a01ea.

Since you car is at a steep tilt, you might have trapped water sitting
in your muffler (the catalytic converter remains way too hot for awhile
after you turn off your car for any water vapor to coalesce into liquid
there). Burning gasoline always produces water vapor. You can't see it
on a warm/hot day because the steam is hot. Just sit on a stalled
freeway during rush hour and notice all the steam coming up from the
tailpipes of all the stuck motorists. You've never seen water dripping
out of exhaust pipes from a running car? What do you think happens to
all the water vapor still sitting in your exhaust system when you turn
off your car? No, scrubbing bubbles don't rush through your exhaust
pipes to clean out the water that liquifies as the steam cools.

Also, as I recall, your year model is the one where Subaru screwed up
the head gaskets which caused coolant leaks into the combustion chamber.
There were previous posts about the problem in this newsgroup but might
not be on your NNTP server anymore so search Google Groups in this
newsgroup about Subaru's screwed up head gaskets. Also, as I recall,
Subaru's "fix" was the old leak goop fix. You add the goop through the
radiator cap and the goop seals any small crevices where its velocity
slows to allow accumulation (which means the goop also deposits
elsewhere, like in nearly plugged radiators to then fully plug them).
The correct fix to replace the defective gaskets with new ones and is a
pricey repair.

If the white smoke is constant past the warm up of the engine, you could
ask the shop to do a compression test. As the engine gets hot, a crack
in the block or head gets bigger so coolant can seep through. However,
you said the white smoke appears immediately when you start the car
"cold" and then dissipates (which could mean after the engine got hot).
So my guess is you have accumulated water in your exhaust system that
gets steamed out when you start your car. Or its just the normal water
vapor that is produced by the combustion of gasoline and you didn't
mention that you notice the steam because it was cold outside.
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Sun Aug 15, 2010 10:25 pm
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IDG wrote:
> When I park overnight on a steep hill with the car angled so that the drivers side is lower than the passengers side I see no smoke when starting in the morning. However, if I park the opposite way, with the passenger side lower than the drivers side I see a significant amount on white smoke when starting the first time. There is a good amount of smoke, which then dissapates and does not reappear until the following morning. Headgasket, tubo seals, something else? Any help appreciated.

Another possibility is that you're burning brake fluid
that has sucked through the vacuum line from a booster
with damaged internal seals.
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Sun Aug 15, 2010 10:32 pm
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On 8/15/2010 10:11 PM, VanguardLH wrote:

> Oil? Since when does engine oil burn white (at temperatures produced in
> automobiles)? Isn't white smoke the sign of a coolant leak? If
> antifreeze is getting into the cylinder then you see white smoke from
> the exhaust.
>
> Black smoke = burning oil
> Blue smoke = burning transmission fluid
> White smoke = water vapor burnoff if short-lived and immediate), or a
> coolant leak from gasket leak, cracked block, or cracked
> head (if not immediate and starts after engine gets hot)

Oil smoke is generally blue but can appear bluish-white or
grayish-white. Black usually indicates unburned fuel from a rich mixture
or fuel system problem.
Pure white smoke would likely be coolant but the orientation of the car
shouldn't have any effect on whether coolant gets burned or not.
The description of when this happens makes sense for oil getting past
the valve seals on the driver side, given the layout of the boxer engine.
One test to determine if it's coolant or oil is to hold a tissue up to
the exhaust when the smoke is being produced. If it's coolant, the
tissue will disintegrate from the moisture.
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Sun Aug 15, 2010 11:20 pm
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On Sun, 15 Aug 2010 16:09:30 -0700, johninky wrote:

> On Aug 15, 5:31 pm, "mul...@x.files" wrote:
>> On 8/15/2010 3:23 PM, IDG wrote:
>>
>> > When I park overnight on a steep hill with the car angled so that the
>> > drivers side is lower than the passengers side I see no smoke when
>> > starting in the morning.  However, if I park the opposite way, with
>> > the passenger side lower than the drivers side I see a significant
>> > amount on white smoke when starting the first time.  There is a good
>> > amount of smoke, which then dissapates and does not reappear until
>> > the following morning.  Headgasket, tubo seals, something else?
>> >  Any help appreciated.
>>
>> > Thanks.
>>
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>> Sounds like some oil in the driver side valve cover is getting past the
>> valve seals as the car sits, and into the combustion chamber. When the
>> engine is first started that oil burns off, producing the white smoke.
>> Depending on how many miles are on the car, and whether it consumes any
>> oil otherwise, it may not be worth doing anything about. Even if the
>> valve seals are leaking a bit, replacing them is a labor-intensive job
>> that makes no sense to do by itself, but rather as part of either a
>> cylinder head or total engine overhaul.
>
> Could be the turbo oil return thingee.


Damn, I hate when you get all technical....
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Sun Aug 15, 2010 11:20 pm
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On Sun, 15 Aug 2010 15:23:18 -0400, IDG wrote:

> When I park overnight on a steep hill with the car angled so that the
> drivers side is lower than the passengers side I see no smoke when
> starting in the morning. However, if I park the opposite way, with the
> passenger side lower than the drivers side I see a significant amount on
> white smoke when starting the first time. There is a good amount of
> smoke, which then dissapates and does not reappear until the following
> morning. Headgasket, tubo seals, something else? Any help appreciated.
>
> Thanks.
>
>
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Mon Aug 16, 2010 6:05 am
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On Aug 15, 2:23 pm, "IDG" <a> wrote:
> When I park overnight on a steep hill with the car angled so that the drivers side is lower than the passengers side I see no smoke when starting in the morning.  However, if I park the opposite way, with the passenger side lower than the drivers side I see a significant amount on white smoke when starting the first time.  There is a good amount of smoke, which then dissapates and does not reappear until the following morning.  Headgasket, tubo seals, something else?  Any help appreciated.
>
> Thanks.
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The other posters have made great suggestions about the smoke. If it
smells like toasted marshmallows, it's coolant.

I just want to mention that, if you decide the smoke is bluish and
from oil, possibly some problem with the PCV valve/system could be at
play.
Your O2 sensor and catalytic converter (at minimum) are at risk if you
do not fix this.
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