2000 Civic power steering fluid

2000 Civic hatch <rob.fruth RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote in news:10369a2a-e160-43a9-
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> No problem but mine has never been changed (50K miles) should it
> be ? (Honda dealer says they can do it for $ 45.00)



YES. YES. Do it. Really. Make sure they use genuine Honda PS fluid. This is
imperative.

$45 is a cheap price to make sure your system will remain good and
leak-free for many years hence. Ever priced a new pump? A new rack? They're
somewhat more than $45, I can assure you.


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Tegger wrote:
> 2000 Civic hatch <rob.fruth RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote in news:10369a2a-e160-43a9-
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>> No problem but mine has never been changed (50K miles) should it
>> be ? (Honda dealer says they can do it for $ 45.00)
>
>
>
> YES. YES. Do it. Really.

what is the service interval specified in the honda manual?



> Make sure they use genuine Honda PS fluid. This is
> imperative.
>
> $45 is a cheap price to make sure your system will remain good and
> leak-free for many years hence. Ever priced a new pump? A new rack? They're
> somewhat more than $45, I can assure you.
>
>
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2000 Civic hatch wrote:
> No problem but mine has never been changed (50K miles) should it
> be ? (Honda dealer says they can do it for $ 45.00)

Did you see the this as a maintenance item in your service schedule?

Did the dealer say it should be done?

Jeff
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On Feb 28, 6:26 pm, Tegger <teg....TakeThisOut@tegger.c0m> wrote:
> jim beam <spamvor....TakeThisOut@bad.example.net> wrote innews:PsSdnQOBnMGhqVvanZ2dnUVZ_sbinZ2d@speakeasy.net:
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> > Tegger wrote:
> >> 2000 Civic hatch <rob.fr....TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote in
> >> news:10369a2a-e160-43a9-
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>
> >>> No problem but mine has never been changed (50K miles) should it
> >>> be ? (Honda dealer says they can do it for $ 45.00)
>
> >> YES. YES. Do it. Really.
>
> > what is the service interval specified in the honda manual?
>
> There is no mention of that in the manual. I replace mine anyway.
>
> If replacement was $200 I might think twice before recommending
> replacement. At $45 it's a no-brainer.
>
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Thanks for the feedback all, the manual says not needed but the
service advisor says YES he'd have it done anyway so you can put me
down as a definite maybe (undecided)
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"2000 Civic hatch" <rob.fruth DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote
> Thanks for the feedback all, the manual says not needed
> but the
> service advisor says YES he'd have it done anyway so you
> can put me
> down as a definite maybe (undecided)

Original owner of a 91 Civic here. Before 2004, the most I
had done with its PS system is add a little genuine Honda
fluid. I never had any problems. I worked on engine drive
parts that required the PS pump's removal then and ended up
adding a lot more fluid.

I personally do not care if it is "only $45." The Honda
newsgroups just do not see reports of the PS system failing
unless some yo-yo adds non-Honda PS fluid to it.

If you must do this for peace of mind, I would think you
could wait at least a few years more.
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jim beam <spamvortex RemoveThis @bad.example.net> wrote in
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> Tegger wrote:
>> 2000 Civic hatch <rob.fruth RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote in
>> news:10369a2a-e160-43a9-
>> adf7-01b1d0f1940e RemoveThis @h25g2000hsf.googlegroups.com:
>>
>>> No problem but mine has never been changed (50K miles) should it
>>> be ? (Honda dealer says they can do it for $ 45.00)
>>
>>
>>
>> YES. YES. Do it. Really.
>
> what is the service interval specified in the honda manual?



There is no mention of that in the manual. I replace mine anyway.

If replacement was $200 I might think twice before recommending
replacement. At $45 it's a no-brainer.


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Tegger wrote:
> jim beam <spamvortex.TakeThisOut@bad.example.net> wrote in
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>> Tegger wrote:
>>> 2000 Civic hatch <rob.fruth.TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote in
>>> news:10369a2a-e160-43a9-
>>> adf7-01b1d0f1940e.TakeThisOut@h25g2000hsf.googlegroups.com:
>>>
>>>> No problem but mine has never been changed (50K miles) should it
>>>> be ? (Honda dealer says they can do it for $ 45.00)
>>>
>>>
>>> YES. YES. Do it. Really.
>> what is the service interval specified in the honda manual?
>
>
>
> There is no mention of that in the manual. I replace mine anyway.
>
> If replacement was $200 I might think twice before recommending
> replacement. At $45 it's a no-brainer.
>
>

i respectfully disagree for the reasons previously cited. the power
steering system has very little mechanical load, zero chemical load, and
is spectacularly reliable. the only time it has a problem is if the
fluid becomes contaminated, and frankly, even if it's a dealer, the only
way it /can/ become contaminated is if the junior oil change clown
starts messing with it. dirty fingers, dirty rags, dirty funnels, dirty
oil containers - no thanks.
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jim beam wrote:
> Tegger wrote:
>> jim beam <spamvortex.DeleteThis@bad.example.net> wrote in
>> news:PsSdnQOBnMGhqVvanZ2dnUVZ_sbinZ2d@speakeasy.net:
>>> Tegger wrote:
>>>> 2000 Civic hatch <rob.fruth.DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote in
>>>> news:10369a2a-e160-43a9-
>>>> adf7-01b1d0f1940e.DeleteThis@h25g2000hsf.googlegroups.com:
>>>>> No problem but mine has never been changed (50K miles) should it
>>>>> be ? (Honda dealer says they can do it for $ 45.00)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> YES. YES. Do it. Really.
>>> what is the service interval specified in the honda manual?
>>
>>
>>
>> There is no mention of that in the manual.

oh, forgot to say, that's because the /manufacturer/ knows it's not
necessary.


>> I replace mine anyway.
>>
>> If replacement was $200 I might think twice before recommending
>> replacement. At $45 it's a no-brainer.
>>
>>
>
> i respectfully disagree for the reasons previously cited. the power
> steering system has very little mechanical load, zero chemical load, and
> is spectacularly reliable. the only time it has a problem is if the
> fluid becomes contaminated, and frankly, even if it's a dealer, the only
> way it /can/ become contaminated is if the junior oil change clown
> starts messing with it. dirty fingers, dirty rags, dirty funnels, dirty
> oil containers - no thanks.
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"Tegger" <tegger DeleteThis @tegger.c0m> wrote
> I have replaced my fluid several times according to the
> factory manual's
> procedure, which does not warn against air in the system.
>
> 1) Place front wheels on a section of newspaper (I can't
> get both wheels
> off the ground at the same time. The newspaper reduces
> friction.)
> 2) Drain the reservoir with turkey baster
> 3) disconnect the return hose and place the free end into
> a large
> container
> 4) start car
> turn steering wheel lock to lock two or three times, then
> re-center
> shut car off
> 5) reconnect return hose
> 6) fill reservoir

I think I would caution here to try very hard no to
overfill. As I know you know from previous posts (IIRC), the
reservoir's contents slosh around a lot when the pump is
running. Overfilling even by a little sloshes some of the
stuff out. If air is in the system, it will be more likely
to be overfilled, at least temporarily, and the chances of
sloshing loss are higher.

The FS manual has a strong caution about overfilling as
well.

Seems to me I did hear noise at least once briefly when I'd
"opened" the PS system and was refilling and purging. Just
for the anecdotal, DIYer record.

> 7) restart car
> add fluid as necessary
> 9) add fluid over the next day or so as air is ejected
> from the system.
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"Elle" <honda.lioness DeleteThis @spamnocox.net> wrote in news:icWxj.49$CD7.8
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>
> I think I would caution here to try very hard no to
> overfill. As I know you know from previous posts (IIRC), the
> reservoir's contents slosh around a lot when the pump is
> running.



I should check this next time I run the engine.

Fluid ejection into the catch container when draining is not that vigorous,
but it may appear differently when discharging into a more confined space.


> Overfilling even by a little sloshes some of the
> stuff out. If air is in the system, it will be more likely
> to be overfilled, at least temporarily, and the chances of
> sloshing loss are higher.



I've never once had a problem with overfilling. The problem I run into is
UNDERfilling, which results when the air exits the fluid, causing its
volume to drop. This is why there is need to check and top up as necessary
after a fluid change done the shop manual's way.

I add fluid to the reservoir up to the full mark, wait for it to drop, then
add more until it doesn't drop any more. Simple.


>
> The FS manual has a strong caution about overfilling as
> well.


Mine just says "CAUTION: Do not overfill the reservoir beyond the full
mark".

As a contrast, the warning against the wrong fluid reads: "CAUTION: Use
only GENUINE HONDA Power Steering Fluid...Using other fluids...will damage
the system".
Now THAT I"d call a "strong" caution.


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Tegger <tegger DeleteThis @tegger.c0m> wrote in
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> "Elle" <honda.lioness DeleteThis @spamnocox.net> wrote in news:icWxj.49$CD7.8
> @newsfe11.phx:
>
>
>>
>> I think I would caution here to try very hard no to
>> overfill. As I know you know from previous posts (IIRC), the
>> reservoir's contents slosh around a lot when the pump is
>> running.
>
>
>
> I should check this next time I run the engine.
>
> Fluid ejection into the catch container when draining is not that
> vigorous, but it may appear differently when discharging into a more
> confined space.
>
>
>> Overfilling even by a little sloshes some of the
>> stuff out. If air is in the system, it will be more likely
>> to be overfilled, at least temporarily, and the chances of
>> sloshing loss are higher.



I just checked for fluid movement today.

When cold at idle, there was no movement of the fluid at all with the engine
running.

When hot, at idle or when revved, there was the barest trace of surface
rippling. It's the sort of rippling you get on the surface of a cup of coffee
when somebody walks past the table it's sitting on.

Certainly there is no trace of sloshing or other vigorous fluid action.

My fluid level is right up to the upper mark on the side of the reservoir.

I'm not going to try overfilling the reservoir, of course, but I'm left
wondering how high you'd have to overfill it before you ended up with
sloshing.



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"Tegger" <tegger.DeleteThis@tegger.c0m> wrote
> Certainly there is no trace of sloshing or other vigorous
> fluid action.

We observe different things then for properly filled
reservoirs. I am not trying to be, ya know, combative. Just
saying what my observation is for the archives.
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"Elle" <honda.lioness DeleteThis @spamnocox.net> wrote in news:8RZyj.34569$kp6.6251
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> "Tegger" <tegger DeleteThis @tegger.c0m> wrote
>> Certainly there is no trace of sloshing or other vigorous
>> fluid action.
>
> We observe different things then for properly filled
> reservoirs. I am not trying to be, ya know, combative. Just
> saying what my observation is for the archives.
>
>
>



All I can tell is what I saw with my own eyes today.

I can make a video of it, if you like.

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