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Since: Nov 25, 2008 Posts: 2
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(Msg. 1) Posted: Tue Nov 25, 2008 10:13 am
Post subject: 1997 2.2 chevy cavalier p0300 random misfire fuel injector Archived from groups: alt>autos>gm (more info?)
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I have a 1997 cavalier showing p0300 random misfire on cyl 1&4.
Changed plugs/wires/coil/ICM with no result. Swapped #3 injector for
#4 and miss followed injector. Swapped 1&2 and 3&4 and it followed the
injectors again. So now we are missing on 2 & 4.
I replaced the injectors indicated by the misfires. (2 & 4) Problem
came back
after a couple of days of driving, still missing on the same 2 brand
new injectors...(@2 & 4 cyl)
Anyone care to offer an opinion to this idea:
Is it possible that the 2 injectors that do not cause a misfire (now
at 1&3 cyl) are the wrong part and causing the problem? (I had
replaced all 4 injectors over the past couple of years one at a time
from whatever parts house was closest/cheapest when the old ones
started leaking)
Like if I put the 2 injectors I just pulled in 1&3 is there a
possibility that could
fix it? With the miss following injectors around it seems obvious its
not a wiring issue or a computer issue, right? Otherwise miss wouldnt
follow the injectors (unless I am thinking wrong somewhere) . And with
a brand new pair of injectors still misfiring (and the miss following
when I move them to different cylinders) it seems like that could be
the only possible answer. (Mind you, I spent $350 to have the dealer
replace a fuel regulator then say 'its possessed by a demon' and
scratch his head in the meantime here, or would just buy 2 more
injectors to make sure) I'm about ready to give up on the beast as
this problem is costing me about 10-15 MPG but would appreciate any
input from you all.... >> Stay informed about: 1997 2.2 chevy cavalier p0300 random misfire fuel injector |
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Since: Nov 25, 2008 Posts: 2
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Tue Nov 25, 2008 11:32 am
Post subject: Re: 1997 2.2 chevy cavalier p0300 random misfire fuel injector [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
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On Nov 25, 12:13 pm, "Steve W." wrote:
> wrote:
> > I have a1997cavaliershowing p0300 random misfire on cyl 1&4.
> > Changed plugs/wires/coil/ICM with no result. Swapped #3 injector for
> > #4 and miss followed injector. Swapped 1&2 and 3&4 and it followed the
> > injectors again. So now we are missing on 2 & 4.
> > I replaced the injectors indicated by the misfires. (2 & 4) Problem
> > came back
> > after a couple of days of driving, still missing on the same 2 brand
> > new injectors...(@2 & 4 cyl)
>
> > Anyone care to offer an opinion to this idea:
> > Is it possible that the 2 injectors that do not cause a misfire (now
> > at 1&3 cyl) are the wrong part and causing the problem? (I had
> > replaced all 4 injectors over the past couple of years one at a time
> > from whatever parts house was closest/cheapest when the old ones
> > started leaking)
> > Like if I put the 2 injectors I just pulled in 1&3 is there a
> > possibility that could
> > fix it? With the miss following injectors around it seems obvious its
> > not a wiring issue or a computer issue, right? Otherwise miss wouldnt
> > follow the injectors (unless I am thinking wrong somewhere) . And with
> > a brand new pair of injectors still misfiring (and the miss following
> > when I move them to different cylinders) it seems like that could be
> > the only possible answer. (Mind you, I spent $350 to have the dealer
> > replace a fuel regulator then say 'its possessed by a demon' and
> > scratch his head in the meantime here, or would just buy 2 more
> > injectors to make sure) I'm about ready to give up on the beast as
> > this problem is costing me about 10-15 MPG but would appreciate any
> > input from you all....
>
> Replace ALL 4 with a flow matched set. What you're probably seeing is
> that the used injectors are flowing more fuel than the new ones. The
> computer reads this as a misfire because the ones with more fuel
> generate more of a power pulse than the newer ones.
>
> If you replace all 4 with flow matched units it should take care of the
> problem by insuring that they are delivering the same amount of fuel.
> The problem with replacing them singly is that unless you're buying
> factory spec. NEW units they likely don't match in flow rate or pattern.
>
> --
> Steve W.
> Near Cooperstown, New York
So you're saying if I buy another pair of new (matching part#')
injectors from NAPA (where I bought the 2 new ones last week) I should
be good?
Thanks for your input!
Jason >> Stay informed about: 1997 2.2 chevy cavalier p0300 random misfire fuel injector |
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Since: Oct 30, 2007 Posts: 203
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Tue Nov 25, 2008 2:13 pm
Post subject: Re: 1997 2.2 chevy cavalier p0300 random misfire fuel injector [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
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wrote:
> I have a 1997 cavalier showing p0300 random misfire on cyl 1&4.
> Changed plugs/wires/coil/ICM with no result. Swapped #3 injector for
> #4 and miss followed injector. Swapped 1&2 and 3&4 and it followed the
> injectors again. So now we are missing on 2 & 4.
> I replaced the injectors indicated by the misfires. (2 & 4) Problem
> came back
> after a couple of days of driving, still missing on the same 2 brand
> new injectors...(@2 & 4 cyl)
>
> Anyone care to offer an opinion to this idea:
> Is it possible that the 2 injectors that do not cause a misfire (now
> at 1&3 cyl) are the wrong part and causing the problem? (I had
> replaced all 4 injectors over the past couple of years one at a time
> from whatever parts house was closest/cheapest when the old ones
> started leaking)
> Like if I put the 2 injectors I just pulled in 1&3 is there a
> possibility that could
> fix it? With the miss following injectors around it seems obvious its
> not a wiring issue or a computer issue, right? Otherwise miss wouldnt
> follow the injectors (unless I am thinking wrong somewhere) . And with
> a brand new pair of injectors still misfiring (and the miss following
> when I move them to different cylinders) it seems like that could be
> the only possible answer. (Mind you, I spent $350 to have the dealer
> replace a fuel regulator then say 'its possessed by a demon' and
> scratch his head in the meantime here, or would just buy 2 more
> injectors to make sure) I'm about ready to give up on the beast as
> this problem is costing me about 10-15 MPG but would appreciate any
> input from you all....
Replace ALL 4 with a flow matched set. What you're probably seeing is
that the used injectors are flowing more fuel than the new ones. The
computer reads this as a misfire because the ones with more fuel
generate more of a power pulse than the newer ones.
If you replace all 4 with flow matched units it should take care of the
problem by insuring that they are delivering the same amount of fuel.
The problem with replacing them singly is that unless you're buying
factory spec. NEW units they likely don't match in flow rate or pattern.
--
Steve W.
Near Cooperstown, New York >> Stay informed about: 1997 2.2 chevy cavalier p0300 random misfire fuel injector |
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Since: Jul 27, 2006 Posts: 464
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Tue Nov 25, 2008 4:01 pm
Post subject: Re: 1997 2.2 chevy cavalier p0300 random misfire fuel injector [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
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Also, make sure you are not picking up dirt in the injector screens, and
they are sealing good in the head.
wrote in message
> On Nov 25, 12:13 pm, "Steve W." wrote:
>> wrote:
>> > I have a1997cavaliershowing p0300 random misfire on cyl 1&4.
>> > Changed plugs/wires/coil/ICM with no result. Swapped #3 injector for
>> > #4 and miss followed injector. Swapped 1&2 and 3&4 and it followed the
>> > injectors again. So now we are missing on 2 & 4.
>> > I replaced the injectors indicated by the misfires. (2 & 4) Problem
>> > came back
>> > after a couple of days of driving, still missing on the same 2 brand
>> > new injectors...(@2 & 4 cyl)
>>
>> > Anyone care to offer an opinion to this idea:
>> > Is it possible that the 2 injectors that do not cause a misfire (now
>> > at 1&3 cyl) are the wrong part and causing the problem? (I had
>> > replaced all 4 injectors over the past couple of years one at a time
>> > from whatever parts house was closest/cheapest when the old ones
>> > started leaking)
>> > Like if I put the 2 injectors I just pulled in 1&3 is there a
>> > possibility that could
>> > fix it? With the miss following injectors around it seems obvious its
>> > not a wiring issue or a computer issue, right? Otherwise miss wouldnt
>> > follow the injectors (unless I am thinking wrong somewhere) . And with
>> > a brand new pair of injectors still misfiring (and the miss following
>> > when I move them to different cylinders) it seems like that could be
>> > the only possible answer. (Mind you, I spent $350 to have the dealer
>> > replace a fuel regulator then say 'its possessed by a demon' and
>> > scratch his head in the meantime here, or would just buy 2 more
>> > injectors to make sure) I'm about ready to give up on the beast as
>> > this problem is costing me about 10-15 MPG but would appreciate any
>> > input from you all....
>>
>> Replace ALL 4 with a flow matched set. What you're probably seeing is
>> that the used injectors are flowing more fuel than the new ones. The
>> computer reads this as a misfire because the ones with more fuel
>> generate more of a power pulse than the newer ones.
>>
>> If you replace all 4 with flow matched units it should take care of the
>> problem by insuring that they are delivering the same amount of fuel.
>> The problem with replacing them singly is that unless you're buying
>> factory spec. NEW units they likely don't match in flow rate or pattern.
>>
>> --
>> Steve W.
>> Near Cooperstown, New York
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>
> So you're saying if I buy another pair of new (matching part#')
> injectors from NAPA (where I bought the 2 new ones last week) I should
> be good?
> Thanks for your input!
> Jason
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Since: Oct 30, 2007 Posts: 203
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Tue Nov 25, 2008 4:19 pm
Post subject: Re: 1997 2.2 chevy cavalier p0300 random misfire fuel injector [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
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Shep wrote:
> Also, make sure you are not picking up dirt in the injector screens, and
> they are sealing good in the head.
I tried telling a customer that his reasons for a lean condition was due
to bad O-rings on the injector bases. His response was that HE had just
installed new injectors and the O-rings were fine. He left the vehicle
and I pulled the rack, HMM He did install new injectors BUT the O-rings
were GONE.... Not just bad but missing. Cleaned the rack, flow cleaned
the injectors and installed new seals. Put it back together and no lean
condition. Who'd of thunk it... >> Stay informed about: 1997 2.2 chevy cavalier p0300 random misfire fuel injector |
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Since: Jul 26, 2008 Posts: 24
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Tue Nov 25, 2008 4:19 pm
Post subject: Re: 1997 2.2 chevy cavalier p0300 random misfire fuel injector [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
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On Tue, 25 Nov 2008 16:19:53 -0500, "Steve W."
wrote:
>Shep wrote:
>> Also, make sure you are not picking up dirt in the injector screens, and
>> they are sealing good in the head.
>
>I tried telling a customer that his reasons for a lean condition was due
>to bad O-rings on the injector bases. His response was that HE had just
>installed new injectors and the O-rings were fine. He left the vehicle
>and I pulled the rack, HMM He did install new injectors BUT the O-rings
>were GONE.... Not just bad but missing. Cleaned the rack, flow cleaned
>the injectors and installed new seals. Put it back together and no lean
>condition. Who'd of thunk it...
>
Steve, while you're here, maybe you suggest something for my 2.2.
'90 Corsica, throttle body.
Shakes like hell at idle, otherwise okay.
Plugs, wires are good.
I'm thinking something need cleaning, but haven't got my kid on it
yet.
Any suggestions?
--Vic >> Stay informed about: 1997 2.2 chevy cavalier p0300 random misfire fuel injector |
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Since: Oct 30, 2007 Posts: 203
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Tue Nov 25, 2008 6:54 pm
Post subject: Re: 1997 2.2 chevy cavalier p0300 random misfire fuel injector [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
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Vic Smith wrote:
> On Tue, 25 Nov 2008 16:19:53 -0500, "Steve W."
> wrote:
>
>> Shep wrote:
>>> Also, make sure you are not picking up dirt in the injector screens, and
>>> they are sealing good in the head.
>> I tried telling a customer that his reasons for a lean condition was due
>> to bad O-rings on the injector bases. His response was that HE had just
>> installed new injectors and the O-rings were fine. He left the vehicle
>> and I pulled the rack, HMM He did install new injectors BUT the O-rings
>> were GONE.... Not just bad but missing. Cleaned the rack, flow cleaned
>> the injectors and installed new seals. Put it back together and no lean
>> condition. Who'd of thunk it...
>>
> Steve, while you're here, maybe you suggest something for my 2.2.
> '90 Corsica, throttle body.
> Shakes like hell at idle, otherwise okay.
> Plugs, wires are good.
> I'm thinking something need cleaning, but haven't got my kid on it
> yet.
> Any suggestions?
>
> --Vic
Trade it in and support the economy?
Actually it could be a few things. Shaking idle could be an EGR that is
sticking open a bit from crud. MAP sensor could be getting old. Check
the motor mounts as well. Age may have made them loose enough to let the
motor shake.
How many miles does it have so far?
--
Steve W. >> Stay informed about: 1997 2.2 chevy cavalier p0300 random misfire fuel injector |
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