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Martin

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Tue Aug 12, 2008 10:53 am
Post subject: 1996 Dodge Transmission - Progression of Bad Behavior - Recovery
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1996 Dodge Maxi Van (3500 series, 1 ton, 15-passenger bus). 158,000
miles. 5.9 liter (360 CI) V-8, automatic.

For a few weeks, it was slow to shift out of first gear. You could
let off on the accelerator, and encourage it to upshift, but it tended
to stay in lower gear a little too long otherwise. Then it stopped
shifting out of first at all.

Fluid wasn't really low, but I tried very slightly overfilling it and
this cleared up the problem - temporarily. Next day, it once again
wouldn't shift out of first. Then it stopped pulling in first gear,
and now only has reverse. This progression (from sluggish to
inoperable) occured over about a two-day period.

Pulled the pan and filter. It looked as if it had never been taken
off. Lots of sludge stuck to magnet, total of about 1/4 teaspoon of
aluminum filings recovered from pan. Maybe that's normal for 12 years
and 160K miles, I don't know. This is my first auto transmission
problem.

Friend advised me to clean it up good, replace filter, put in 1 qt of
K&W Trans-X with clean fluid, and see what happens. Plan to do this
on my day off.

Any comments or other ideas?

thanks,

Martin

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Tue Aug 12, 2008 9:57 pm
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Try your friend's advice by all means....but have the phone number of a
good transmission shop programmed into your cell phone, cause I think
you're gonna need it! At 160,000 miles you've gotten your money's worth
and a tranny rebuild is likely in the cards.

Martin wrote:
> 1996 Dodge Maxi Van (3500 series, 1 ton, 15-passenger bus). 158,000
> miles. 5.9 liter (360 CI) V-8, automatic.
>
> For a few weeks, it was slow to shift out of first gear. You could
> let off on the accelerator, and encourage it to upshift, but it tended
> to stay in lower gear a little too long otherwise. Then it stopped
> shifting out of first at all.
>
> Fluid wasn't really low, but I tried very slightly overfilling it and
> this cleared up the problem - temporarily. Next day, it once again
> wouldn't shift out of first. Then it stopped pulling in first gear,
> and now only has reverse. This progression (from sluggish to
> inoperable) occured over about a two-day period.
>
> Pulled the pan and filter. It looked as if it had never been taken
> off. Lots of sludge stuck to magnet, total of about 1/4 teaspoon of
> aluminum filings recovered from pan. Maybe that's normal for 12 years
> and 160K miles, I don't know. This is my first auto transmission
> problem.
>
> Friend advised me to clean it up good, replace filter, put in 1 qt of
> K&W Trans-X with clean fluid, and see what happens. Plan to do this
> on my day off.
>
> Any comments or other ideas?
>
> thanks,
>
> Martin
>

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2008 7:20 am
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On Aug 12, 10:53 am, Martin wrote:
> 1996 Dodge Maxi Van (3500 series, 1 ton, 15-passenger bus).  158,000
> miles.  5.9 liter (360 CI) V-8, automatic.
>
> For a few weeks, it was slow to shift out of first gear.  You could
> let off on the accelerator, and encourage it to upshift, but it tended
> to stay in lower gear a little too long otherwise.  Then it stopped
> shifting out of first at all.
>
> Fluid wasn't really low, but I tried very slightly overfilling it and
> this cleared up the problem - temporarily.  Next day, it once again
> wouldn't shift out of first.  Then it stopped pulling in first gear,
> and now only has reverse.  This progression (from sluggish to
> inoperable) occured over about a two-day period.
>
> Pulled the pan and filter.  It looked as if it had never been taken
> off.  Lots of sludge stuck to magnet, total of about 1/4 teaspoon of
> aluminum filings recovered from pan.  Maybe that's normal for 12 years
> and 160K miles, I don't know.  This is my first auto transmission
> problem.
>
> Friend advised me to clean it up good, replace filter, put in 1 qt of
> K&W Trans-X with clean fluid, and see what happens.  Plan to do this
> on my day off.
>
> Any comments or other ideas?
>
> thanks,
>
> Martin

$2400.00 took care of all those problems for me at 100K miles. This
after 3 trips to the shop for quick-fixes. At 160K, you're way ahead
of me. But I have a feeling you're due for a rebuild.

Wolfie
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2008 9:04 am
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Don't have a service manual, but the owner's guide says to "perform a
band adjustment" whenever the transmission fluid and filter are
changed. Anyone have a procedure for this "band adjustment"?

thanks,

Martin

On Aug 12, 12:53 pm, Martin wrote:
> 1996 Dodge Maxi Van (3500 series, 1 ton, 15-passenger bus).  158,000
> miles.  5.9 liter (360 CI) V-8, automatic.
>
> For a few weeks, it was slow to shift out of first gear.  You could
> let off on the accelerator, and encourage it to upshift, but it tended
> to stay in lower gear a little too long otherwise.  Then it stopped
> shifting out of first at all.
>
> Fluid wasn't really low, but I tried very slightly overfilling it and
> this cleared up the problem - temporarily.  Next day, it once again
> wouldn't shift out of first.  Then it stopped pulling in first gear,
> and now only has reverse.  This progression (from sluggish to
> inoperable) occured over about a two-day period.
>
> Pulled the pan and filter.  It looked as if it had never been taken
> off.  Lots of sludge stuck to magnet, total of about 1/4 teaspoon of
> aluminum filings recovered from pan.  Maybe that's normal for 12 years
> and 160K miles, I don't know.  This is my first auto transmission
> problem.
>
> Friend advised me to clean it up good, replace filter, put in 1 qt of
> K&W Trans-X with clean fluid, and see what happens.  Plan to do this
> on my day off.
>
> Any comments or other ideas?
>
> thanks,
>
> Martin
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2008 11:01 am
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I had those shifting symptons at 200000 mi and a lube of the downshift cable
at the trans fixed my problem.
Still shifting fine at 245,000! 97
but I think yours is beyond that fix.
dakota 4x4 5.2.

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Dick
> 1996 Dodge Maxi Van (3500 series, 1 ton, 15-passenger bus). 158,000
> miles. 5.9 liter (360 CI) V-8, automatic.
>
> For a few weeks, it was slow to shift out of first gear. You could
> let off on the accelerator, and encourage it to upshift, but it tended
> to stay in lower gear a little too long otherwise. Then it stopped
> shifting out of first at all.
>
> Fluid wasn't really low, but I tried very slightly overfilling it and
> this cleared up the problem - temporarily. Next day, it once again
> wouldn't shift out of first. Then it stopped pulling in first gear,
> and now only has reverse. This progression (from sluggish to
> inoperable) occured over about a two-day period.
>
> Pulled the pan and filter. It looked as if it had never been taken
> off. Lots of sludge stuck to magnet, total of about 1/4 teaspoon of
> aluminum filings recovered from pan. Maybe that's normal for 12 years
> and 160K miles, I don't know. This is my first auto transmission
> problem.

> 1996 Dodge Maxi Van (3500 series, 1 ton, 15-passenger bus). 158,000
> miles. 5.9 liter (360 CI) V-8, automatic.
>
> For a few weeks, it was slow to shift out of first gear. You could
> let off on the accelerator, and encourage it to upshift, but it tended
> to stay in lower gear a little too long otherwise. Then it stopped
> shifting out of first at all.
>
> Fluid wasn't really low, but I tried very slightly overfilling it and
> this cleared up the problem - temporarily. Next day, it once again
> wouldn't shift out of first. Then it stopped pulling in first gear,
> and now only has reverse. This progression (from sluggish to
> inoperable) occured over about a two-day period.
>
> Pulled the pan and filter. It looked as if it had never been taken
> off. Lots of sludge stuck to magnet, total of about 1/4 teaspoon of
> aluminum filings recovered from pan. Maybe that's normal for 12 years
> and 160K miles, I don't know. This is my first auto transmission
> problem.
>
> Friend advised me to clean it up good, replace filter, put in 1 qt of
> K&W Trans-X with clean fluid, and see what happens. Plan to do this
> on my day off.
>
> Any comments or other ideas?
>
> thanks,
>
> Martin

$2400.00 took care of all those problems for me at 100K miles. This
after 3 trips to the shop for quick-fixes. At 160K, you're way ahead
of me. But I have a feeling you're due for a rebuild.

Wolfie
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Martin

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(Msg. 6) Posted: Thu Aug 14, 2008 9:21 am
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Thanks Ken, I downloaded and saved it. Looks pretty simple.

Martin

On Aug 14, 8:38 am, "Nosey" wrote:
> Martin wrote:
> > Don't have a service manual, but the owner's guide says to "perform a
> > band adjustment" whenever the transmission fluid and filter are
> > changed.  Anyone have a procedure for this "band adjustment"?
>
> Band adjustment:http://www.dodgeram.org/tech/transmission/automatic/AT_band_adj.htm
> --
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Thu Aug 14, 2008 9:26 am
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Ok, I'm going to replace the filter and fluid this weekend, and adjust
the bands. Is there anthing else I can service/clean without dropping
the transmission?

For example, is there a way to drain the dirty fluid out of the torque
converter, maybe a drain plug behind the inspection cover?

Can I remove the valve body (the stuff that gets modified/replaced
when installing a "shift kit") and perhaps do some good by
disassembling and cleaning it?

What else? I want to give myself the best possible chance of having a
truck that moves forward when I put it back together and refill.

thanks,

Martin
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Thu Aug 14, 2008 9:38 am
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Martin wrote:
> Don't have a service manual, but the owner's guide says to "perform a
> band adjustment" whenever the transmission fluid and filter are
> changed. Anyone have a procedure for this "band adjustment"?

Band adjustment:
http://www.dodgeram.org/tech/transmission/automatic/AT_band_adj.htm
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Thu Aug 14, 2008 9:46 am
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On Thu, 14 Aug 2008 09:26:11 -0700 (PDT), Martin
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>What else? I want to give myself the best possible chance of having a
>truck that moves forward when I put it back together and refill.
>
Park it facing downhill?

Sorry, Martin, couldn't resist that opening.. ;-]


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(Msg. 10) Posted: Thu Aug 14, 2008 5:57 pm
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"mac davis" wrote in message

> On Thu, 14 Aug 2008 09:26:11 -0700 (PDT), Martin
>
> wrote:
>
>
>>What else? I want to give myself the best possible chance of having a
>>truck that moves forward when I put it back together and refill.
>>
> Park it facing downhill?

Ouch!!<VBG>
>
> Sorry, Martin, couldn't resist that opening.. ;-]
>

Ya beat me bro.<G>


Roy
> mac
>
> Please remove splinters before emailing
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Thu Aug 14, 2008 6:23 pm
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"Roy" wrote in message
>
> "mac davis" wrote in message
>
>> On Thu, 14 Aug 2008 09:26:11 -0700 (PDT), Martin
>>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>What else? I want to give myself the best possible chance of having a
>>>truck that moves forward when I put it back together and refill.
>>>
>> Park it facing downhill?
>
> Ouch!!<VBG>
>>
>> Sorry, Martin, couldn't resist that opening.. ;-]
>>
>
> Ya beat me bro.<G>

That slowing down that comes with old age will get ya every time...

Denny
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Thu Aug 14, 2008 7:04 pm
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> Thanks Ken, I downloaded and saved it. Looks pretty simple.

It's not complicated, by a long shot. But, depending on the specific
vehicle, you may find working on the front band adjuster a little cramped
(doing the adjustment on my '03 pickup was a breeze, compared to the '00
Durango I was just working on). A crow's foot is very handy for getting at
the front adjuster locknut.
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(Msg. 13) Posted: Thu Aug 14, 2008 9:25 pm
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"Denny" wrote in message

>
> "Roy" wrote in message
>
>>
>> "mac davis" wrote in message
>>
>>> On Thu, 14 Aug 2008 09:26:11 -0700 (PDT), Martin
>>>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>What else? I want to give myself the best possible chance of having a
>>>>truck that moves forward when I put it back together and refill.
>>>>
>>> Park it facing downhill?
>>
>> Ouch!!<VBG>
>>>
>>> Sorry, Martin, couldn't resist that opening.. ;-]
>>>
>>
>> Ya beat me bro.<G>
>
> That slowing down that comes with old age will get ya every time...
>
> Denny
>

Prick!<G>

Roy
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(Msg. 14) Posted: Fri Aug 15, 2008 7:18 am
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On Thu, 14 Aug 2008 18:23:41 -0400, "Denny" wrote:

>>>>What else? I want to give myself the best possible chance of having a
>>>>truck that moves forward when I put it back together and refill.
>>>>
>>> Park it facing downhill?
>>
>> Ouch!!<VBG>
>>>
>>> Sorry, Martin, couldn't resist that opening.. ;-]
>>>
>>
>> Ya beat me bro.<G>
>
>That slowing down that comes with old age will get ya every time...
>
>Denny
>
Well, he's not one of those sharp-tongued New Englanders anymore, Denny..


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(Msg. 15) Posted: Fri Aug 15, 2008 2:34 pm
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On Aug 14, 11:26 am, Martin wrote:
> Ok, I'm going to replace the filter and fluid this weekend, and adjust
> the bands.  Is there anthing else I can service/clean without dropping
> the transmission?
>
Anybody have a clue about the valve body thing? Is it OK to remove it
and take it apart for cleaning? Anything in particular I need to
watch out for, like springs that are going to fly across the garage?

Martin

> For example, is there a way to drain the dirty fluid out of the torque
> converter, maybe a drain plug behind the inspection cover?
>
> Can I remove the valve body (the stuff that gets modified/replaced
> when installing a "shift kit") and perhaps do some good by
> disassembling and cleaning it?
>
> What else?  I want to give myself the best possible chance of having a
> truck that moves forward when I put it back together and refill.
>
> thanks,
>
> Martin
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