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Since: Apr 29, 2006 Posts: 1
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(Msg. 1) Posted: Sat Apr 29, 2006 2:55 am
Post subject: 1995 350 ecm (?) problem Archived from groups: alt>autos>4x4>chevy-trucks (more info?)
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I have a 1995 chevy 350 engine that WAS giving me about 17mpg. Suddenly, it
drops to 10 mpg. I do the usual (plugs, wires, dist & cap, injector cleaner,
o2 sensor, etc), with NO change. There is NO code stored in the ecm, no
check engine lite. I gave up and took it to a GM dealer, who charged me $150
to hook it to the computer. I was told that the engine was running too cool,
so it never goes into closed loop. They said change the thermostat, the
coolant sensor, and possibly the ecm module (they wanted $900). I changed
the thermostat (195 degree) and the coolant temp sensor, with no change at
all. I even checked the wiring to the ecm module, thinking maybe I had a
broken wire, but all checked well. I changed the ecm module. No change. I
changed the Knock sensor, no change.
How can I tell if the ecm is going into closed loop? I monitored the O2
sensor, which after a minute or so (coming up to temperature) shows about .85
to .9 volts at idle (which is quite rich). At driving speed, it jumps so
much I cant tell.
There must be some voltage measurement to tell me if the ecm goes into closed
loop!
Anyone have any ideas whats up with this monster?
I am thinking about putting in a higher temp thermostat to see if it does
anything, but am not sure that this is even in the ballpark of the problem.
There is no smoke, doesnt burn oil, no coolant leakage, but the exhaust
smells rich.
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Since: Sep 20, 2005 Posts: 1696
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Sat Apr 29, 2006 8:55 am
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On Sat, 29 Apr 2006 05:50:29 GMT, "Bornloser" wrote:
There are two coolant sensors, on for ECM and one for gauge, might
sure you change the right one. The one you want is on side of engine
mounted in head. You might check MAP sensor too.
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Since: Sep 20, 2005 Posts: 1696
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Sat Apr 29, 2006 11:55 am
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On Sat, 29 Apr 2006 09:06:49 -0400, "Shep"
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>A scan will tell what is happening if the coolant temp or sensor is reading
>or running to cold, no other way here but parts guess work.
If you read his earlier post the dealer said his engine was running
cold suggesting a bad ECM temp sensor for engine temp. It can cause
engine to go over rich and use more fuel as can a bad MAP snesor can
soewhat too but the temp sensor would be my first choice. It is not
likely the TP sensor (throttle postition) given his problem.
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Since: Jan 27, 2006 Posts: 68
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Sat Apr 29, 2006 12:18 pm
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On Sat, 29 Apr 2006 05:50:29 GMT, "Bornloser" wrote:
>I have a 1995 chevy 350 engine that WAS giving me about 17mpg. Suddenly, it
>drops to 10 mpg. I do the usual (plugs, wires, dist & cap, injector cleaner,
>o2 sensor, etc), with NO change. There is NO code stored in the ecm, no
>check engine lite. I gave up and took it to a GM dealer, who charged me $150
>to hook it to the computer. I was told that the engine was running too cool,
>so it never goes into closed loop. They said change the thermostat, the
>coolant sensor, and possibly the ecm module (they wanted $900). I changed
>the thermostat (195 degree) and the coolant temp sensor, with no change at
>all. I even checked the wiring to the ecm module, thinking maybe I had a
>broken wire, but all checked well. I changed the ecm module. No change. I
>changed the Knock sensor, no change.
>How can I tell if the ecm is going into closed loop? I monitored the O2
>sensor, which after a minute or so (coming up to temperature) shows about .85
>to .9 volts at idle (which is quite rich). At driving speed, it jumps so
>much I cant tell.
>There must be some voltage measurement to tell me if the ecm goes into closed
>loop!
>Anyone have any ideas whats up with this monster?
>I am thinking about putting in a higher temp thermostat to see if it does
>anything, but am not sure that this is even in the ballpark of the problem.
>There is no smoke, doesnt burn oil, no coolant leakage, but the exhaust
>smells rich.
>Thanks
a scan tool will tell you if you are in closed or open loop.
On my 92 the coolant temp sensor that feed the ECM is on the intake
near the water neck (which i think you asked about in another post)
the sensor that drives the gauge is on the cylinder head.
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Since: Sep 20, 2005 Posts: 1696
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Sat Apr 29, 2006 5:55 pm
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On Sat, 29 Apr 2006 16:12:17 GMT, "Bornloser via CarKB.com"
wrote:
>Didnt know there were 2 sensors...I just changed the one by the thermostat
>housing.Is the one for the ecm still called a coolant temperature sensor?
>Need to know what to ask for at the parts store.
>Learning more everyday!!! Thanks!
Yes there are two. One for gauge and one for ECM. They one you want
mounts in head and is called a engine coolant temp sensor or ECT. That
is the one you need to change. "Should" be on drivers side of engine
between #1 & 3 cylinder.
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Since: Jun 04, 2005 Posts: 33
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Sat Apr 29, 2006 5:55 pm
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Is there a voltage or resistance test/standard for it? TIA.
TomC
SnoMan wrote in article
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> On Sat, 29 Apr 2006 16:12:17 GMT, "Bornloser via CarKB.com"
> wrote:
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> >Didnt know there were 2 sensors...I just changed the one by the
thermostat
> >housing.Is the one for the ecm still called a coolant temperature
sensor?
> >Need to know what to ask for at the parts store.
> >Learning more everyday!!! Thanks!
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> Yes there are two. One for gauge and one for ECM. They one you want
> mounts in head and is called a engine coolant temp sensor or ECT. That
> is the one you need to change. "Should" be on drivers side of engine
> between #1 & 3 cylinder.
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> The SnoMan
> www.thesnoman.com
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Since: Sep 20, 2005 Posts: 1696
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Sat Apr 29, 2006 11:55 pm
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On Sat, 29 Apr 2006 17:54:51 -0500, "TomC" wrote:
>Is there a voltage or resistance test/standard for it? TIA.
>TomC
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There is one. at 40 degrees it should read about 7500 ohms, at 70
degrees F, it should read 3400 ohms, at 160 degrees, 450 ohm and at
210 degrees 185 ohms. The MAT sensor has the same values. On the TPS.
it should read between .45 and 1.25 voltage at idle on the blue wire
coming out of TPS and icrease smoothly with throttle. On MAP sensor,
it should read between 3.6 and 5.2 volts with key on but engine not
running on the light green wire coming from MAP sensor. I hope this
helps
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Since: Jan 27, 2006 Posts: 68
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Sun Apr 30, 2006 7:04 am
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On Sun, 30 Apr 2006 04:51:47 GMT, "Bornloser via CarKB.com"
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>Hopefully the rain will stop tomorrow and I can do a little checking with the
>info I have gathered here. But, as I do NOT have a scan tool, is there any
>way to check if the ecm is in closed loop with a volt meter?
>Thanks again
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>Elbert wrote:
>>>I have a 1995 chevy 350 engine that WAS giving me about 17mpg. Suddenly, it
>>>drops to 10 mpg. I do the usual (plugs, wires, dist & cap, injector cleaner,
>>[quoted text clipped - 19 lines]
>>>smells rich.
>>>Thanks
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>>a scan tool will tell you if you are in closed or open loop.
>>On my 92 the coolant temp sensor that feed the ECM is on the intake
>>near the water neck (which i think you asked about in another post)
>>the sensor that drives the gauge is on the cylinder head.
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>>Elbert
>>ask@me.com
I don't know how you can tell without the scan tool.
Basically when the truck reaches operating temperature
the ecm goes into closed loop.
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Elbert
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