On 23 Nov 2005 16:10:22 -0800, mrhog559.RemoveThis@aol.com wrote:
>I have a 1993 grand voyager 3.0 that has
>no spark and no fuel pump noise after i turn the key on. And my check
>engine light comes on then goes right out as I turn the key on? I
>replaced the fuel pump and asd relays.
>still nothing. i check for power going to the asd and fuel pump
> Relays and I have power.
> this all started within the last month when i would be driving at
>any time the van's speedometer would all of a sudden go to 0 mph then
>resume to what ever speed i would be driving all within a second.(
>rebuilt trans 6 months ago and new vss in trans ) before that in the
>past year i would try to start the van and no cranking of the motor.
>i would have to turn the ignition key on and off sevral times to get it
>to crank over (this has not happen in the last 2 months) and as today
>my steering lock no longer works?
>
>Any idea's?
>Bad ignition switch?
>Bad PCM?
>
>I do have the chilton book and IM leaning toward the switch?
If your van would not start intermittently, then that is more than
likely a problem with the starter. I have a 1994 GC with the 3.3
engine. Mine started doing this a couple of years ago. I noticed the
same thing, turn the key on and off a few times, then it would work.
Basically what is happening is that there are a couple of copper
contact pieces in the starter. Every time you engage the starter, they
make contact. But over time they wear down. At some point, they don't
always make contact every time you stry to start. Eventually, they are
worn and pitted to the point they will not make contact at all, and
then you are stranded.
When mine was still working, I drove to a local shop that actually
rebuilds starters. IIRC it was about $40 to $50 for the re & re, and
about $35 to strip down the starter and replace the worn parts. One
part was put on a lathe and re-finished, and the other part was this
tiny little copper piece worth about 25 cents. In and out in about 90
minutes.
And since you did not get that little problem looked at, and kept
using the key trick, it sounds like you have thrashed your ignition
key lock cylender. Find a local locksmith that specializes in
Automotive locks. He will be able to replace it easily, and where the
car sits.
IIRC, the issue with the speedometer is likely a speed sensor. Google
around, I recall reading that in this group at some time in the past.
The check engine light coming on when you turn the key and then going
out is just a "lamp test" to let you know that the bulb is not burnt
out. If that bulb burns out, then you could drive without being
advised of a potential problem.
If your ignition key / lock is hatched, then it is possible that
things are not getting power. Get your starter fixed, get the new
ignition switch. Then go have the speed sensor checked.
Let us know how it goes.
hth
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