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(Msg. 1) Posted: Sun Dec 31, 2006 10:02 am
Post subject: 1988 Full Size Bronco Ignition Question
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Hey Gang,
I'm having a problem with the ignition on my truck. I know what the
problem is, but I don't know what the part is called. I'm hoping
someone here can give me a little help figuring it out.
OK, here we go...
When you turn the key, the cylinder unlocks and gears inside of the
housing move. The gears are connected to a hunk of metal with teeth on
the bottom. It is shaped kind of like a reversed "7" when you look at
it from the front. This piece has a small loop at the end of it, that
loop is connected to a rod. The rod has a small knob that the toothed
mechanism attaches to, when the key turns forward the loop presses on
the knob and moves the rod forward and backwards. When it it pushed
all the way forward, it starts the motor, when it is pulled all the way
back, the engine turns off. Still with me?
The rod (the one that presses on the switch that starts the motor) is
held in place by an aluminum bar. That aluminum bar has broken. Now
when you turn the key, the rod moves left to right, rather than in and
out, therefore it doesn't depress on the switch and the motor doesn't
start.
In order to get around this, I have removed the lock cylinder and the
plastic shroud that covers the steering column, allowing me manual
access to the rod. I can start/kill the truck with the remote start or
a pair of needlenose pliers. I am absolutely certain that with my luck
I am going to get pulled over and be accused of having stolen the
truck. I need to get that 'knob' replaced so the rod moves in the
proper direction. I also need the cylinder put back in. I have done
it in the past but it was a pain in the ass.
Does anyone know what the name of the knob is? Does anyone have a clue
what this is going to run me??
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Sun Dec 31, 2006 4:39 pm
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go to your local ford dealer, and ask for an ignition actuator cam. it costs
about $15. I have heard autozone has them also, but don't know if it's true
or not.
wrote in message
> Hey Gang,
> I'm having a problem with the ignition on my truck. I know what the
> problem is, but I don't know what the part is called. I'm hoping
> someone here can give me a little help figuring it out.
>
> OK, here we go...
>
> When you turn the key, the cylinder unlocks and gears inside of the
> housing move. The gears are connected to a hunk of metal with teeth on
> the bottom. It is shaped kind of like a reversed "7" when you look at
> it from the front. This piece has a small loop at the end of it, that
> loop is connected to a rod. The rod has a small knob that the toothed
> mechanism attaches to, when the key turns forward the loop presses on
> the knob and moves the rod forward and backwards. When it it pushed
> all the way forward, it starts the motor, when it is pulled all the way
> back, the engine turns off. Still with me?
>
> The rod (the one that presses on the switch that starts the motor) is
> held in place by an aluminum bar. That aluminum bar has broken. Now
> when you turn the key, the rod moves left to right, rather than in and
> out, therefore it doesn't depress on the switch and the motor doesn't
> start.
>
> In order to get around this, I have removed the lock cylinder and the
> plastic shroud that covers the steering column, allowing me manual
> access to the rod. I can start/kill the truck with the remote start or
> a pair of needlenose pliers. I am absolutely certain that with my luck
> I am going to get pulled over and be accused of having stolen the
> truck. I need to get that 'knob' replaced so the rod moves in the
> proper direction. I also need the cylinder put back in. I have done
> it in the past but it was a pain in the ass.
>
> Does anyone know what the name of the knob is? Does anyone have a clue
> what this is going to run me??
>
> Thanks!!
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Sun Dec 31, 2006 5:56 pm
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Mon Jan 01, 2007 6:42 am
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yes it can be Jim. but you have to admit, with a little common sense it is a
snap.
it's just a shame most people do not use common sense any more.
but with the detail the op gave, I think he will have no problem with
anything except the tilt pins. but even with them, the first time I did one,
it only took me about 15 minutes to figure those little buggers out.
"Jim Warman" wrote in message
> My partsmonger is used to me... all I ask for is the "chicken bone". I
> hope the original poster realizes that this can be frustrating to install
> correctly - even for seasoned vets...
>
>
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Mon Jan 01, 2007 8:46 am
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Hey Guy,
Thanks for all the help. I looked up the part (I haven't bought it
yet) and that is exactly what is wrong. I have torn down most of the
steering column in the past, I haven't gotten deep enough to rip out
the actuator, but I think I'll give it a shot on my next day off.
Getting the lock cylinder to mesh in the proper position is always the
biggest pain for me. Getting it into position and keeping the loop on
the actuator pin is such a hassle. Does anyone have a tip on making
that easier? What is the easiest way to get that cylinder in the right
position, is there some magic combination I should use?
Thanks again, this group is always a huge help with my Bronco when she
acts up!
Tom wrote:
> yes it can be Jim. but you have to admit, with a little common sense it is a
> snap.
> it's just a shame most people do not use common sense any more.
> but with the detail the op gave, I think he will have no problem with
> anything except the tilt pins. but even with them, the first time I did one,
> it only took me about 15 minutes to figure those little buggers out.
> "Jim Warman" wrote in message
>
> > My partsmonger is used to me... all I ask for is the "chicken bone". I
> > hope the original poster realizes that this can be frustrating to install
> > correctly - even for seasoned vets...
> >
> >
> > >> Stay informed about: 1988 Full Size Bronco Ignition Question |
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Mon Jan 01, 2007 12:01 pm
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i line up the end gears on the actuator and the cylinder. i have found that
is the best way
wrote in message
> Hey Guy,
> Thanks for all the help. I looked up the part (I haven't bought it
> yet) and that is exactly what is wrong. I have torn down most of the
> steering column in the past, I haven't gotten deep enough to rip out
> the actuator, but I think I'll give it a shot on my next day off.
>
> Getting the lock cylinder to mesh in the proper position is always the
> biggest pain for me. Getting it into position and keeping the loop on
> the actuator pin is such a hassle. Does anyone have a tip on making
> that easier? What is the easiest way to get that cylinder in the right
> position, is there some magic combination I should use?
>
> Thanks again, this group is always a huge help with my Bronco when she
> acts up!
>
>
>
>
> Tom wrote:
>> yes it can be Jim. but you have to admit, with a little common sense it
>> is a
>> snap.
>> it's just a shame most people do not use common sense any more.
>> but with the detail the op gave, I think he will have no problem with
>> anything except the tilt pins. but even with them, the first time I did
>> one,
>> it only took me about 15 minutes to figure those little buggers out.
>> "Jim Warman" wrote in message
>>
>> > My partsmonger is used to me... all I ask for is the "chicken bone". I
>> > hope the original poster realizes that this can be frustrating to
>> > install
>> > correctly - even for seasoned vets...
>> >
>> >
>> >
> >> Stay informed about: 1988 Full Size Bronco Ignition Question |
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Sun Jan 07, 2007 2:28 pm
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Does anyone know if there is a special tool designed to remove the tilt pins so I can get to the actuator? If so, what is it called? That is the problem I am running into. I can get everything apart except for those pins. If I can get the pins out, my problem will be solved and I will be able to replace the actuator on my 91 Bronco. Mike >> Stay informed about: 1988 Full Size Bronco Ignition Question |
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Sun Jan 07, 2007 7:14 pm
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if I remember correctly, you thread a #8 machine screw into the pin, then
pull it out with a pair of pliers.
"dadrich" wrote in message
> Does anyone know if there is a special tool designed to remove the
> tilt pins so I can get to the actuator? If so, what is it called?
> That is the problem I am running into. I can get everything apart
> except for those pins. If I can get the pins out, my problem will be
> solved and I will be able to replace the actuator on my 91 Bronco.
> Mike
>
> "Tom" wrote:
> > yes it can be Jim. but you have to admit, with a little common
> > sense it is a
> > snap.
> > it's just a shame most people do not use common sense any
> > more.
> > but with the detail the op gave, I think he will have no
> > problem with
> > anything except the tilt pins. but even with them, the first
> > time I did one,
> > it only took me about 15 minutes to figure those little
> > buggers out.
> > "Jim Warman" wrote in message
> >
> > > My partsmonger is used to me... all I ask for is the
> > "chicken bone". I
> > > hope the original poster realizes that this can be
> > frustrating to install
> > > correctly - even for seasoned vets...
> > >
> > >
> > >
>
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Mon Jan 08, 2007 1:25 am
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"Tom" wrote in
> if I remember correctly, you thread a #8 machine screw into the pin,
> then pull it out with a pair of pliers.
> "dadrich" wrote in message
>
>> Does anyone know if there is a special tool designed to remove the
>> tilt pins so I can get to the actuator? If so, what is it called?
>> That is the problem I am running into. I can get everything apart
>> except for those pins. If I can get the pins out, my problem will be
>> solved and I will be able to replace the actuator on my 91 Bronco.
>> Mike
>>
>> "Tom" wrote:
>> > yes it can be Jim. but you have to admit, with a little common
>> > sense it is a
>> > snap.
>> > it's just a shame most people do not use common sense any
>> > more.
>> > but with the detail the op gave, I think he will have no
>> > problem with
>> > anything except the tilt pins. but even with them, the first
>> > time I did one,
>> > it only took me about 15 minutes to figure those little
>> > buggers out.
>> > "Jim Warman" wrote in message
>> >
>> > > My partsmonger is used to me... all I ask for is the
>> > "chicken bone". I
>> > > hope the original poster realizes that this can be
>> > frustrating to install
>> > > correctly - even for seasoned vets...
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>>
>> --
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>> Articles individually verified to usenet standards. Visit URL to
>> contact author/report abuse
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>> http://www.AutoBoardz.com/1988-Full-Size-Bronco-Ignition-ftopict202069
>> .html
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most parts stores have a cheep tool that will do the job. KB
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2007 6:37 pm
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Im going thru this same problem on my F150. When I came to the drift pins holding the tilt mechanism, I found a very helpful and practical tip online. Turn a machine screw into the threads (#10), clamp onto that with a ViseGrip, and tap it out with a hammer. Mine fell right out, no problem. Still waiting on part to come back, so not sure on re-installation. Good Luck. >> Stay informed about: 1988 Full Size Bronco Ignition Question |
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2007 7:22 pm
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2007 11:51 pm
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wrote:
> Hey Gang,
> Luckily I found these pictures as well. Once I got into it, I found
> that my tilt mechanism was broken in 3 places, and had to be placed
> too. Once I got the actuator out, the repairs were pretty easy. On
> the reinstall a pin sheared off of the lock cylinder causing it to
> become jammed into the outer casing. I had to pry it loose, cracking
> the case in the process.
>
<snipped for brevity>
Good job Loren. I don't remember the particulars of this column and can't help much
with your remaining concern about the tilt mechanism. It's likely a worn part that was
reused when you reassembled it. Look close, think about how the mechanism is supposed
to work, and do some deductive reasoning and compare to your parts breakdown. I know
this sounds vague, but you've reassembled it piece by piece and should have a sense of
how it "should" work. Study it a bit and the problem should be fairly obvious.
(aoommm, be one with the column Loren, aoommm...  )
Steering columns can be tricky for DIYers, and even for some technicians. Kudos for
going this far.
I missed this post at the beginning. The Bronco column is the same as most Ford
trucks of that era, only shorter, mostly at the bottom. It's hard to find a used one
complete because they are a popular vehicle and most folks swap the whole column when
there is a problem. You could have bought a used tilt column from a Pickup and had all
of the parts you needed for ~$100. My aplogies for not paying attention and mentioning
this earlier. The learning experience, though, is priceless. It's also been much
cheaper than the prices you were quoted.
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(Msg. 13) Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 1:54 am
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Turned out to be pretty easy. It was just labor intensive. Took a total of 4 hours from start to finish. All I needed was a pivot pin puller and some patience. I did realize that once you get the upper flange, lower flange and pull the pins there is a trick to it. Once you get the 3 bolts out from behind the yoke (also providing you drop the steering column first which will allow easy acces to these bolts using a 3/16 allen wrench) have the new ignition actuator sitting on the dash board. Pull out the yoke (about 1/2 inch and turn it to the right about a quarter turn (definetly need to remove the gear shift lever for automatics). With the yoke still in your left hand, slide out the old actuator and then slide the new one back in. Turn the yoke back to the left (upright position) and then push it back in. Worked perfectly for me. Just remember to pull the pin on the old actuator and lift up on the rod first. You just want the actuator to come out, not the rod. Another tip is if you have tilt steering, pull the spring before you pull the pins. It took a little to get the spring back in but just use a standard screwdrive and you should be able to force it back in. Now it works great. New actuator and tumbler. Had to replace the upper flange too. Tore up the old one trying to get the old lock cylinder out. Hope this helps. >> Stay informed about: 1988 Full Size Bronco Ignition Question |
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(Msg. 14) Posted: Fri Jan 19, 2007 5:35 pm
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I got my part last night, and installed it today, about 2 1/2 hours all told. The only problem I ran into was getting the ignition switch lined up right so that all the positions were correct. After about 3 tries, I got it.
The tilt mechanism gave me no trouble at all, in fact, I had it apart and reassembled 3x in trying to get the switch right.
I think if I had to do again, I would not remove the 3 allen screws in the back. I don't see that I gained any advantage by removing them. But, maybe I just don't realize that I may have.
I'm no mechanic, but I don't mind getting my hands dirty. If you take a systematic approach to this, and keep track of how everything came apart, this is a very doable job. The part cost me $7.50, and other then the internet research, I had a total of 5 hours, hands on, into it. It was my 1st ever steering column breakdown/reassembly/anything. I'm glad I didn't have to pay a garage for the fix.
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(Msg. 15) Posted: Sat Jan 20, 2007 5:56 am
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I don't remove the 3 allens from the rear. I don't see any need to, cause
they do not hold anything on that needs to be removed.
as for lining up the gears, I always put it in so they mesh at the very end
of their travel, and never have any problem.
its the little things like this, having patience, and helpful people on the
net that makes this an easy job.
unfortunately, there was no net when I did my first one back in 88.
"wingnut2727" wrote in message
>I got my part last night, and installed it today, about 2 1/2 hours
> all told. The only problem I ran into was getting the ignition switch
> lined up right so that all the positions were correct. After about 3
> tries, I got it.
>
> The tilt mechanism gave me no trouble at all, in fact, I had it apart
> and reassembled 3x in trying to get the switch right.
>
> I think if I had to do again, I would not remove the 3 allen screws in
> the back. I don't see that I gained any advantage by removing them.
> But, maybe I just don't realize that I may have.
>
> I'm no mechanic, but I don't mind getting my hands dirty. If you take
> a systematic approach to this, and keep track of how everything came
> apart, this is a very doable job. The part cost me $7.50, and other
> then the internet research, I had a total of 5 hours, hands on, into
> it. It was my 1st ever steering column breakdown/reassembly/anything.
> I'm glad I didn't have to pay a garage for the fix.
>
> Good Luck!!
>
> "dadrich" wrote:
> > Turned out to be pretty easy. It was just labor intensive.
> > Took a total of 4 hours from start to finish. All I needed
> > was a pivot pin puller and some patience. I did realize that
> > once you get the upper flange, lower flange and pull the pins
> > there is a trick to it. Once you get the 3 bolts out from
> > behind the yoke (also providing you drop the steering column
> > first which will allow easy acces to these bolts using a 3/16
> > allen wrench) have the new ignition actuator sitting on the
> > dash board. Pull out the yoke (about 1/2 inch and turn it to
> > the right about a quarter turn (definetly need to remove the
> > gear shift lever for automatics). With the yoke still in your
> > left hand, slide out the old actuator and then slide the new
> > one back in. Turn the yoke back to the left (upright
> > position) and then push it back in. Worked perfectly for me.
> > Just remember to pull the pin on the old actuator and lift up
> > on the rod first. You just want the actuator to come out, not
> > the rod. Another tip is if you have tilt steering, pull the
> > spring before you pull the pins. It took a little to get the
> > spring back in but just use a standard screwdrive and you
> > should be able to force it back in. Now it works great. New
> > actuator and tumbler. Had to replace the upper flange too.
> > Tore up the old one trying to get the old lock cylinder out.
> > Hope this helps. >> Stay informed about: 1988 Full Size Bronco Ignition Question |
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