190E Stalling problems

-->> T.G. Lambach <<-- wrote:
> There's a relay called the "over voltage protection relay" (OVP) that
> gets tired and causes such symptoms. It has a fuse on its top. Suggest
> you focus on it; your car is the "right age" for it to fail.

I'll second this recommendation.
 >> Stay informed about: 190E Stalling problems 

If not this, then fuel pump relay.
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Tiger wrote:

> If not this, then fuel pump relay.

I have two of these Benzes (an '87 w124 and an '88 w201), does anyone
know if the OVP and Fuel pump relays in these cars are interchangeable?

That could be handy for troubleshooting if (or when) my cars start
having problems.

Ximinez
--
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and an almost fanatical devotion to the Pope....
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The Spanish Inquisition schrieb:
> Tiger wrote:
>
>> If not this, then fuel pump relay.
>
> I have two of these Benzes (an '87 w124 and an '88 w201), does anyone
> know if the OVP and Fuel pump relays in these cars are interchangeable?
>
> That could be handy for troubleshooting if (or when) my cars start
> having problems.

The OVP yes. But you may look up the part numbers yourself.

http://www.motoso.de/hit/ueberspannungsrelais+w+124+w+201+mercedes+201...3845+++

--

Roland Franzius
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In article <46017bdc$0$3977$e4fe514c@dreader23.news.xs4all.nl>,
The Spanish Inquisition <ximinez.DeleteThis@myown.mailcan.com> wrote:
>Tiger wrote:
>
>> If not this, then fuel pump relay.
>
>I have two of these Benzes (an '87 w124 and an '88 w201), does anyone
>know if the OVP and Fuel pump relays in these cars are interchangeable?
>
>That could be handy for troubleshooting if (or when) my cars start
>having problems.


Ximinez, absolutely.... I've got both of these cars myself and have done
just that recently.

cheers, guenter

ps, moreover if the OVP is bad (measure contact resistance) simply open it
up and clean the relay contact surfaces.... works great
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Guenter Scholz wrote:

> In article <46017bdc$0$3977$e4fe514c@dreader23.news.xs4all.nl>,
> The Spanish Inquisition <ximinez.DeleteThis@myown.mailcan.com> wrote:
>> Tiger wrote:
>>
>>> If not this, then fuel pump relay.
>> I have two of these Benzes (an '87 w124 and an '88 w201), does anyone
>> know if the OVP and Fuel pump relays in these cars are interchangeable?
>>
>> That could be handy for troubleshooting if (or when) my cars start
>> having problems.
>
> Ximinez, absolutely.... I've got both of these cars myself and have done
> just that recently.
>
> cheers, guenter
>
> ps, moreover if the OVP is bad (measure contact resistance) simply open it
> up and clean the relay contact surfaces.... works great

Good, I might even stock up on some spares...

Ximinez
--
Our three weapons are fear, surprise, and ruthless efficiency...
and an almost fanatical devotion to the Pope....
http://www.ai.mit.edu/people/paulfitz/spanish/t1.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gldlyTjXk9A
 >> Stay informed about: 190E Stalling problems 

On Mar 21, 10:54 pm, The Spanish Inquisition
<ximi....TakeThisOut@myown.mailcan.com> wrote:
> Guenter Scholz wrote:
> > In article <46017bdc$0$3977$e4fe5...@dreader23.news.xs4all.nl>,
> > The Spanish Inquisition <ximi....TakeThisOut@myown.mailcan.com> wrote:
> >> Tiger wrote:
>
> >>> If not this, then fuel pump relay.
> >> I have two of these Benzes (an '87 w124 and an '88 w201), does anyone
> >> know if the OVP and Fuel pump relays in these cars are interchangeable?
>
> >> That could be handy for troubleshooting if (or when) my cars start
> >> havingproblems.
>
> > Ximinez, absolutely.... I've got both of these cars myself and have done
> > just that recently.
>
> > cheers, guenter
>
> > ps, moreover if the OVP is bad (measure contact resistance) simply open it
> > up and clean the relay contact surfaces.... works great
>
> Good, I might even stock up on some spares...
>
> Ximinez
> --
> Our three weapons are fear, surprise, and ruthless efficiency...
> and an almost fanatical devotion to the Pope....http://www.ai.mit.edu/people/paulfitz/spanish/t1.htmlhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gldlyTjXk9A



Thanks a lot.
Quick update for my problem:
I have not touched my car for a week, (even didn't start the
ignition, was very busy at work) now I can not stat it at all (
I have all electrical power, no warnings, and it sounds like trying to
start, but nothing.
I did checked and cleaned the Overload Relay.
BTW. In 190E 1992 Fuel Pump Relay in build in with MAS, so if it is
Fuel Relay - I'll have to change the MAS ?!

Thanks again !!!!
Al.
 >> Stay informed about: 190E Stalling problems 

On Mar 25, 5:15 pm, sch....DeleteThis@sciborg.uwaterloo.ca (Guenter Scholz)
wrote:
> Not so fast there..... is yours a 2.3 or 2.6? If it's a 2.3 you have a
> relay behind the battery somewhere probably... if it's a 2.6, ouch, MAS
>
> cheers, guenter
>
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> >On Mar 21, 10:54 pm, The Spanish Inquisition
> ><ximi....DeleteThis@myown.mailcan.com> wrote:
> >> Guenter Scholz wrote:
> >> > In article <46017bdc$0$3977$e4fe5...@dreader23.news.xs4all.nl>,
> >> > The Spanish Inquisition <ximi....DeleteThis@myown.mailcan.com> wrote:
> >> >> Tiger wrote:
>
> >> >>> If not this, then fuel pump relay.
> >> >> I have two of these Benzes (an '87 w124 and an '88 w201), does anyone
> >> >> know if the OVP and Fuel pump relays in these cars are interchangeable?
>
> >> >> That could be handy for troubleshooting if (or when) my cars start
> >> >> havingproblems.
>
> >> > Ximinez, absolutely.... I've got both of these cars myself and have done
> >> > just that recently.
>
> >> > cheers, guenter
>
> >> > ps, moreover if the OVP is bad (measure contact resistance) simply open it
> >> > up and clean the relay contact surfaces.... works great
>
> >> Good, I might even stock up on some spares...
>
> >> Ximinez
> >> --
> >> Our three weapons are fear, surprise, and ruthless efficiency...
> >> and an almost fanatical devotion to the Pope....http://www.ai.mit.edu/people/paulfitz/spanish/t1.htmlhttp://www.youtu...
>
> >Thanks a lot.
> >Quick update for my problem:
> >I have not touched my car for a week, (even didn't start the
> >ignition, was very busy at work) now I can not stat it at all (
> >I have all electrical power, no warnings, and it sounds like trying to
> >start, but nothing.
> >I did checked and cleaned the Overload Relay.
> >BTW. In190E1992 Fuel Pump Relay in build in with MAS, so if it is
> >Fuel Relay - I'll have to change the MAS ?!
>
> >Thanks again !!!!
> >Al.

Yes, it is 2.6, So it is MAS - ouch !!!!!
I'll change it this week and let you know. I hope that MAS is the
problem.
Al
 >> Stay informed about: 190E Stalling problems 

Not so fast there..... is yours a 2.3 or 2.6? If it's a 2.3 you have a
relay behind the battery somewhere probably... if it's a 2.6, ouch, MAS

cheers, guenter



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>On Mar 21, 10:54 pm, The Spanish Inquisition
><ximi....TakeThisOut@myown.mailcan.com> wrote:
>> Guenter Scholz wrote:
>> > In article <46017bdc$0$3977$e4fe5...@dreader23.news.xs4all.nl>,
>> > The Spanish Inquisition <ximi....TakeThisOut@myown.mailcan.com> wrote:
>> >> Tiger wrote:
>>
>> >>> If not this, then fuel pump relay.
>> >> I have two of these Benzes (an '87 w124 and an '88 w201), does anyone
>> >> know if the OVP and Fuel pump relays in these cars are interchangeable?
>>
>> >> That could be handy for troubleshooting if (or when) my cars start
>> >> havingproblems.
>>
>> > Ximinez, absolutely.... I've got both of these cars myself and have done
>> > just that recently.
>>
>> > cheers, guenter
>>
>> > ps, moreover if the OVP is bad (measure contact resistance) simply open it
>> > up and clean the relay contact surfaces.... works great
>>
>> Good, I might even stock up on some spares...
>>
>> Ximinez
>> --
>> Our three weapons are fear, surprise, and ruthless efficiency...
>> and an almost fanatical devotion to the Pope....http://www.ai.mit.edu/people/paulfitz/spanish/t1.htmlhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gldlyTjXk9A
>
>
>
>Thanks a lot.
>Quick update for my problem:
>I have not touched my car for a week, (even didn't start the
>ignition, was very busy at work) now I can not stat it at all (
>I have all electrical power, no warnings, and it sounds like trying to
>start, but nothing.
>I did checked and cleaned the Overload Relay.
>BTW. In 190E 1992 Fuel Pump Relay in build in with MAS, so if it is
>Fuel Relay - I'll have to change the MAS ?!
>
>Thanks again !!!!
>Al.
>
>
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On Mar 25, 6:15 pm, sch... RemoveThis @sciborg.uwaterloo.ca (Guenter Scholz)
wrote:
> Not so fast there..... is yours a 2.3 or 2.6? If it's a 2.3 you have a
> relay behind the battery somewhere probably... if it's a 2.6, ouch, MAS
>
> cheers, guenter
>
> In article <1174846766.588125.265... RemoveThis @y66g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>,
>
>
>
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> >On Mar 21, 10:54 pm, The Spanish Inquisition
> ><ximi... RemoveThis @myown.mailcan.com> wrote:
> >> Guenter Scholz wrote:
> >> > In article <46017bdc$0$3977$e4fe5...@dreader23.news.xs4all.nl>,
> >> > The Spanish Inquisition <ximi... RemoveThis @myown.mailcan.com> wrote:
> >> >> Tiger wrote:
>
> >> >>> If not this, then fuel pump relay.
> >> >> I have two of these Benzes (an '87 w124 and an '88 w201), does anyone
> >> >> know if the OVP and Fuel pump relays in these cars are interchangeable?
>
> >> >> That could be handy for troubleshooting if (or when) my cars start
> >> >> havingproblems.
>
> >> > Ximinez, absolutely.... I've got both of these cars myself and have done
> >> > just that recently.
>
> >> > cheers, guenter
>
> >> > ps, moreover if the OVP is bad (measure contact resistance) simply open it
> >> > up and clean the relay contact surfaces.... works great
>
> >> Good, I might even stock up on some spares...
>
> >> Ximinez
> >> --
> >> Our three weapons are fear, surprise, and ruthless efficiency...
> >> and an almost fanatical devotion to the Pope....http://www.ai.mit.edu/people/paulfitz/spanish/t1.htmlhttp://www.youtu...
>
> >Thanks a lot.
> >Quick update for my problem:
> >I have not touched my car for a week, (even didn't start the
> >ignition, was very busy at work) now I can not stat it at all (
> >I have all electrical power, no warnings, and it sounds like trying to
> >start, but nothing.
> >I did checked and cleaned the Overload Relay.
> >BTW. In190E1992 Fuel Pump Relay in build in with MAS, so if it is
> >Fuel Relay - I'll have to change the MAS ?!
>
> >Thanks again !!!!
> >Al.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Hi,
Thank you all for the HELP.
Finally I changed distributor cap, distributor rotor and ignition
coil. Now it is running.
Temperature +15c outside and I did more that 300km alreday after the
repair.

I have some other problem: I do have to press the gas pedal before I
start the engine when it is cold. As soon as it starts, car is running
well and start when it hot without any problems.
Previously I did change the Fuel pumps (2 of them) did NOT help; I'm
not recommending doing this.

Thank You one more time.
Al.
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