156 EBD Failure?

GT wrote:
> "Jim" <madonspam DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:feidjh$7ku$1@energise.enta.net...
>> Just been out in my 2005 156 jtd to be greeted with an audible alert and a
>> message to the effect there's an EBD failure and switch off engine and go
>> to dealer.
>>
>> On switching off the engine the alert goes away but returns once I move
>> off a little way.
>
> The "Go to dealer" messages aren't always a serious as they sound. I have
> had 4 with my 156 and 1 was a knock sensor. 1 was a loose connection and the
> last 2 have accompannied a 'splutter', which I think is a misfire (spark
> plug service in 2 weeks).
>
> An EBD failure - is that "Electronic Brake Distribution"? Perhaps an ABS
> failure? Could even be a loose wire!
>
>
Thanks for that GT.

I have been out to it again and written down the message in more detail.
It is an ABS, EBD & VDC failure to be precise. It's been suggested that
a duff battery can make this occur. Let's hope so!
 >> Stay informed about: 156 EBD Failure? 

"Jim" <madonspam.RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:feihsk$eva$1@energise.enta.net...
> GT wrote:
>> "Jim" <madonspam.RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:feidjh$7ku$1@energise.enta.net...
>>> Just been out in my 2005 156 jtd to be greeted with an audible alert and
>>> a message to the effect there's an EBD failure and switch off engine and
>>> go to dealer.
>>>
>>> On switching off the engine the alert goes away but returns once I move
>>> off a little way.
>>
>> The "Go to dealer" messages aren't always a serious as they sound. I have
>> had 4 with my 156 and 1 was a knock sensor. 1 was a loose connection and
>> the last 2 have accompannied a 'splutter', which I think is a misfire
>> (spark plug service in 2 weeks).
>>
>> An EBD failure - is that "Electronic Brake Distribution"? Perhaps an ABS
>> failure? Could even be a loose wire!
> Thanks for that GT.
>
> I have been out to it again and written down the message in more detail.
> It is an ABS, EBD & VDC failure to be precise. It's been suggested that a
> duff battery can make this occur. Let's hope so!

VDC is vehicle dynamic control - if you get into trouble, the 'computer'
applies the brakes in a clever fashion to fix the lateral problem. EBD is
electronic brake distribution - much the same thing - when braking, the
braking force is distributed to the wheels with grip. ABS is anti-lock
brakes. So long as you don't have to stop suddenly, it sounds like you'll be
OK!

Those systems are all linked, but I don't see why a low/failing battery
would cause them to fail! Ahh - perhaps its the computer that is stumbling
due to a duff battery and your brakes, ABS etc are just fine!

*All the above information is based entirely on my memory. No responsibility
will be taken for crashes or deaths!!
 >> Stay informed about: 156 EBD Failure? 

GT wrote:
> "Jim" <madonspam.TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:feihsk$eva$1@energise.enta.net...
>> GT wrote:
>>> "Jim" <madonspam.TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:feidjh$7ku$1@energise.enta.net...
>>>> Just been out in my 2005 156 jtd to be greeted with an audible
>>>> alert and a message to the effect there's an EBD failure and
>>>> switch off engine and go to dealer.
>>>>
>>>> On switching off the engine the alert goes away but returns once I
>>>> move off a little way.
>>>
>>> The "Go to dealer" messages aren't always a serious as they sound.
>>> I have had 4 with my 156 and 1 was a knock sensor. 1 was a loose
>>> connection and the last 2 have accompannied a 'splutter', which I
>>> think is a misfire (spark plug service in 2 weeks).
>>>
>>> An EBD failure - is that "Electronic Brake Distribution"? Perhaps
>>> an ABS failure? Could even be a loose wire!
>> Thanks for that GT.
>>
>> I have been out to it again and written down the message in more
>> detail. It is an ABS, EBD & VDC failure to be precise. It's been
>> suggested that a duff battery can make this occur. Let's hope so!
>
> VDC is vehicle dynamic control - if you get into trouble, the
> 'computer' applies the brakes in a clever fashion to fix the lateral
> problem. EBD is electronic brake distribution - much the same thing -
> when braking, the braking force is distributed to the wheels with
> grip. ABS is anti-lock brakes. So long as you don't have to stop
> suddenly, it sounds like you'll be OK!
>
> Those systems are all linked, but I don't see why a low/failing
> battery would cause them to fail! Ahh - perhaps its the computer that
> is stumbling due to a duff battery and your brakes, ABS etc are just
> fine!
> *All the above information is based entirely on my memory. No
> responsibility will be taken for crashes or deaths!!

Doesn't the fact that the error appears after moving a little suggest a
sensor problem? (ie not getting a signal...)

I suspect a diagnostic computer will tell the OP exactly what the problem
is!
 >> Stay informed about: 156 EBD Failure? 

" cupra" <NOcupra.sSPAM.TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:5n46p8FfmdlpU1@mid.individual.net...
> GT wrote:
>> "Jim" <madonspam.TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:feihsk$eva$1@energise.enta.net...
>>> GT wrote:
>>>> "Jim" <madonspam.TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:feidjh$7ku$1@energise.enta.net...
>>>>> Just been out in my 2005 156 jtd to be greeted with an audible
>>>>> alert and a message to the effect there's an EBD failure and
>>>>> switch off engine and go to dealer.
>>>>>
>>>>> On switching off the engine the alert goes away but returns once I
>>>>> move off a little way.
>>>>
>>>> The "Go to dealer" messages aren't always a serious as they sound.
>>>> I have had 4 with my 156 and 1 was a knock sensor. 1 was a loose
>>>> connection and the last 2 have accompannied a 'splutter', which I
>>>> think is a misfire (spark plug service in 2 weeks).
>>>>
>>>> An EBD failure - is that "Electronic Brake Distribution"? Perhaps
>>>> an ABS failure? Could even be a loose wire!
>>> Thanks for that GT.
>>>
>>> I have been out to it again and written down the message in more
>>> detail. It is an ABS, EBD & VDC failure to be precise. It's been
>>> suggested that a duff battery can make this occur. Let's hope so!
>>
>> VDC is vehicle dynamic control - if you get into trouble, the
>> 'computer' applies the brakes in a clever fashion to fix the lateral
>> problem. EBD is electronic brake distribution - much the same thing -
>> when braking, the braking force is distributed to the wheels with
>> grip. ABS is anti-lock brakes. So long as you don't have to stop
>> suddenly, it sounds like you'll be OK!
>>
>> Those systems are all linked, but I don't see why a low/failing
>> battery would cause them to fail! Ahh - perhaps its the computer that
>> is stumbling due to a duff battery and your brakes, ABS etc are just
>> fine!
>> *All the above information is based entirely on my memory. No
>> responsibility will be taken for crashes or deaths!!
>
> Doesn't the fact that the error appears after moving a little suggest a
> sensor problem? (ie not getting a signal...)

Yes - the data is only valid when moving, so no error when stationary. Coud
even be just a lose wire - as with one of my "go to dealer" messages.
 >> Stay informed about: 156 EBD Failure? 

On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 13:50:06 +0100, Jim <madonspam.TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote:

>GT wrote:
>> "Jim" <madonspam.TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:feidjh$7ku$1@energise.enta.net...

>I have been out to it again and written down the message in more detail.
>It is an ABS, EBD & VDC failure to be precise. It's been suggested that
>a duff battery can make this occur. Let's hope so!

Doubt it. If the battery's good enough to start the diesel, there
can't be much wrong with it. Sometimes, if a car computer gets itself
confused, disconnecting the battery for a few minutes can reset them
and this can lead to a situation where a new battery appears to be a
cure. I don't think this trick will help here but it's easy enough to
try as long as you've got any necessary radio codes etc handy!
--
Z
Scotland
Alfa Romeo 156 2.4JTD Veloce Leather
'Oil' be seeing you..
(Email without 'Alfa' in subject is auto-deleted..sorry!)
 >> Stay informed about: 156 EBD Failure? 

Jim wrote:
> Just been out in my 2005 156 jtd to be greeted with an audible alert and
> a message to the effect there's an EBD failure and switch off engine and
> go to dealer.
>
> On switching off the engine the alert goes away but returns once I move
> off a little way.
>
> Before I get involved with dealers....what do you think I'm up against
> here friends?
>
> Cheers.
>
> Jim


UPDATE

I've been told by the service agent that there is to be a warranty
claim. The car requires a new ABS pump and a new ecu. Toltal cost over
£1,000 I understand. Waiting for approval from Alfa before work can
proceed.

Suppose it could have happened to any car? But it does affect how you
feel about your motor.
 >> Stay informed about: 156 EBD Failure? 

On Mon, 22 Oct 2007 13:37:55 +0100, Jim <madonspam.DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote:

>UPDATE
>
>I've been told by the service agent that there is to be a warranty
>claim. The car requires a new ABS pump and a new ecu. Toltal cost over
>£1,000 I understand.

I don't *think* that's the main car ecu but, rather, the ABS/EBD ecu
because the last time I heard of a main ecu failure, it was going to
cost a *lot* more than 1000UKP.

>
>Suppose it could have happened to any car? But it does affect how you
>feel about your motor.

Why? Warranties are there for this kind of thing and I would bet that
the ABS unit is a Bosch one so I doubt the car maker is at fault
there?

--
Z
Scotland
Alfa Romeo 156 2.4JTD Veloce Leather
'Oil' be seeing you..
(Email without 'Alfa' in subject will be auto-deleted..sorry!)
 >> Stay informed about: 156 EBD Failure? 

Zathras wrote:
> On Mon, 22 Oct 2007 13:37:55 +0100, Jim <madonspam RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> UPDATE
>>
>> I've been told by the service agent that there is to be a warranty
>> claim. The car requires a new ABS pump and a new ecu. Toltal cost over
>> £1,000 I understand.
>
> I don't *think* that's the main car ecu but, rather, the ABS/EBD ecu
> because the last time I heard of a main ecu failure, it was going to
> cost a *lot* more than 1000UKP.
>
>> Suppose it could have happened to any car? But it does affect how you
>> feel about your motor.
>
> Why? Warranties are there for this kind of thing and I would bet that
> the ABS unit is a Bosch one so I doubt the car maker is at fault
> there?
>
Job completed but problem not solved. Keeping the car for another few
days. Probably going to change the wiring loom next I'm told. Bit
worrying!!??
 >> Stay informed about: 156 EBD Failure? 

On Wed, 31 Oct 2007 16:22:15 +0000, Jim <madonspam RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote:

> Bit worrying!!??

Only the incorrect diagnosis and who's going to pay for that bit of
on-site training and/or the unnecessary parts obtained.

--
Z
Scotland
Alfa Romeo 156 2.4JTD Veloce Leather
'Oil' be seeing you..
(Email without 'Alfa' in subject will be auto-deleted..sorry!)
 >> Stay informed about: 156 EBD Failure?