Any way to keep the 12 v outlets ON on my Sienna?

"Ray O" <rokigawaATtristarassociatesDOTcom> wrote in message
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> "JoeSpareBedroom" <dishborealis DeleteThis @yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>>> Someone else here mentioned Klein crimpers, but I just checked all the
>>>> tools at their site. None are designed correctly.
>>> What about
>>> these?http://www.kleinconnection.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Product2_10001_10001_-1_12923_14931
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> It might be, but it's impossible to tell from the web site. Why? Because
>> the pictures were taken with someone's cell phone. Not possible to see
>> enough detail. Stay tuned. I have to photograph some stuff for eBay later
>> today. I'll do a nice close-up of my crimping tool. Then, Tegger will
>> know exactly what to shop for, if he doesn't want to buy the Snap-On tool
>> mentioned above.
>
> I like the Snap-On ones you had pictured, and I prefer Snap-On tools in
> general if I think the tools will get more than one or two uses.


If the tool performs one of its tasks badly, it doesn't matter that it can
also perform some other task well. It's not enough to simply squeeze a crimp
flat, especially for wires in a car or boat where there's vibration.
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"JoeSpareBedroom" <dishborealis RemoveThis @yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>> "JoeSpareBedroom" <dishborealis RemoveThis @yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>>>> Someone else here mentioned Klein crimpers, but I just checked all the
>>>>> tools at their site. None are designed correctly.
>>>> What about
>>>> these?http://www.kleinconnection.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Product2_10001_10001_-1_12923_14931
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> It might be, but it's impossible to tell from the web site. Why? Because
>>> the pictures were taken with someone's cell phone. Not possible to see
>>> enough detail. Stay tuned. I have to photograph some stuff for eBay
>>> later today. I'll do a nice close-up of my crimping tool. Then, Tegger
>>> will know exactly what to shop for, if he doesn't want to buy the
>>> Snap-On tool mentioned above.
>>
>> I like the Snap-On ones you had pictured, and I prefer Snap-On tools in
>> general if I think the tools will get more than one or two uses.
>
>
> If the tool performs one of its tasks badly, it doesn't matter that it can
> also perform some other task well. It's not enough to simply squeeze a
> crimp flat, especially for wires in a car or boat where there's vibration.
>

You're preaching to the choir when it comes to tools

I don't mind multi-function tools that perform one of its tasks poorly as
long as it performs the task that I purchased it for well and I either don't
need to perform the other tasks at all or I have another tool that performs
the task well. For example, this all-in-one stripper/crimper/screw cutter
http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_12605_00993800000P?vName=Tools&keyw...=wire+s
doesn't crimp well, but it does a nice job of cutting small screws, which is
what I purchased it for.
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"JoeSpareBedroom" <dishborealis.RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote in
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>
> It might be, but it's impossible to tell from the web site. Why?
> Because the pictures were taken with someone's cell phone. Not
> possible to see enough detail. Stay tuned. I have to photograph some
> stuff for eBay later today. I'll do a nice close-up of my crimping
> tool. Then, Tegger will know exactly what to shop for, if he doesn't
> want to buy the Snap-On tool mentioned above.
>
>



This is all getting slightly bewildering. I had no idea buying a crimper
could get so complicated.

If you had a picture of what you consider well-designed for general
automotive use, that would be nice.

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"Tegger" <tegger.TakeThisOut@tegger.c0m> wrote in message
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> "JoeSpareBedroom" <dishborealis.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote in
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>>
>>
>> It might be, but it's impossible to tell from the web site. Why?
>> Because the pictures were taken with someone's cell phone. Not
>> possible to see enough detail. Stay tuned. I have to photograph some
>> stuff for eBay later today. I'll do a nice close-up of my crimping
>> tool. Then, Tegger will know exactly what to shop for, if he doesn't
>> want to buy the Snap-On tool mentioned above.
>>
>>
>
>
>
> This is all getting slightly bewildering. I had no idea buying a crimper
> could get so complicated.
>
> If you had a picture of what you consider well-designed for general
> automotive use, that would be nice.
>
> --
> Tegger
>


Give me an hour. I'll post a picture.
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"Tegger" <tegger RemoveThis @tegger.c0m> wrote in message
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>>
>>
>> It might be, but it's impossible to tell from the web site. Why?
>> Because the pictures were taken with someone's cell phone. Not
>> possible to see enough detail. Stay tuned. I have to photograph some
>> stuff for eBay later today. I'll do a nice close-up of my crimping
>> tool. Then, Tegger will know exactly what to shop for, if he doesn't
>> want to buy the Snap-On tool mentioned above.
>>
>>
>
>
>
> This is all getting slightly bewildering. I had no idea buying a crimper
> could get so complicated.
>
> If you had a picture of what you consider well-designed for general
> automotive use, that would be nice.
>
> --
> Tegger
>


Picture #1 - The business end of the crimp tool. 3 grooves, 1 for each crimp
size
http://s27.photobucket.com/albums/c197/ancientangler/?action=view&curr...=P30800

Picture #2 - With a barrel crimp in place
http://s27.photobucket.com/albums/c197/ancientangler/?action=view&curr...=P30800

The tooth at the top

The rest of the tool looks pretty much like the one at the Snap-On site.
Some crimpers may have grooves & teeth that are more squared off, but as
long as you're using the right size crimp that the grooves, the results will
be equally good.

Here's one that's got marginally decent grooves & teeth. Why they couldn't
take it one step further and make it perfect will remain a mystery:
http://www.lowes.com/lowes/lkn?action=productDetail&productId=77615-27...04CGV&l

This one only has one groove size. Probably not the one you need at the
moment - it's made for electricians.
http://www.lowes.com/lowes/lkn?action=productDetail&productId=42523-75...-D2139N


Get the Snap-On tool.
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"JoeSpareBedroom" <dishborealis.DeleteThis@yahoo.com> wrote in
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>>
>
>
> Picture #1 - The business end of the crimp tool. 3 grooves, 1 for each
> crimp size
> http://s27.photobucket.com/albums/c197/ancientangler/?action=view&curre
> nt=P3080035.jpg
>
> Picture #2 - With a barrel crimp in place
> http://s27.photobucket.com/albums/c197/ancientangler/?action=view&curre
> nt=P3080036.jpg
>
> The tooth at the top
>
> The rest of the tool looks pretty much like the one at the Snap-On
> site. Some crimpers may have grooves & teeth that are more squared
> off, but as long as you're using the right size crimp that the
> grooves, the results will be equally good.



What's the brand name of the tool in your photos?

It looks like the important thing is the point on the tooth.

Here's a picture of a tool I've been using for 25 years:
<http://www.tegger.com/hondafaq/misc/crimper.JPG>
It's similar to yours, but has rounded teeth. This tool
often just squishes the metal instead of folding it inwards.



>
>
> Get the Snap-On tool.
>
>


You mean this one?
<http://buy1.snapon.com/catalog/item.asp?P65=&tool=all&item_ID=15632&group_ID=797&store=snapon-store&dir=catalog>



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Tegger

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"Tegger" <tegger.RemoveThis@tegger.c0m> wrote in message
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>>>
>>
>>
>> Picture #1 - The business end of the crimp tool. 3 grooves, 1 for each
>> crimp size
>> http://s27.photobucket.com/albums/c197/ancientangler/?action=view&curre
>> nt=P3080035.jpg
>>
>> Picture #2 - With a barrel crimp in place
>> http://s27.photobucket.com/albums/c197/ancientangler/?action=view&curre
>> nt=P3080036.jpg
>>
>> The tooth at the top
>>
>> The rest of the tool looks pretty much like the one at the Snap-On
>> site. Some crimpers may have grooves & teeth that are more squared
>> off, but as long as you're using the right size crimp that the
>> grooves, the results will be equally good.
>
>
>
> What's the brand name of the tool in your photos?
>
> It looks like the important thing is the point on the tooth.
>
> Here's a picture of a tool I've been using for 25 years:
> <http://www.tegger.com/hondafaq/misc/crimper.JPG>
> It's similar to yours, but has rounded teeth. This tool
> often just squishes the metal instead of folding it inwards.


Mine's from Mac Tools. I searched their site and they have nothing like it
any more. I even tried the model number printed on mine. Nothing. It's
ridiculous. Crimpers aren't like women's clothing. They shouldn't go in &
out of style.

If the Snap-On site allows returns for a full refund, that might be the way
to go. Or, get the name of a local dealer (the guys with the tool trucks),
see if they have one of the tools in stock, bring some crimps and give the
tool a try.
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"JoeSpareBedroom" <dishborealis.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote in
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>
> If the Snap-On site allows returns for a full refund, that might be
> the way to go. Or, get the name of a local dealer (the guys with the
> tool trucks), see if they have one of the tools in stock, bring some
> crimps and give the tool a try.
>
>


Thanks.

There's a Snap-On truck guy who lives near me.

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>>
>> If the Snap-On site allows returns for a full refund, that might be
>> the way to go. Or, get the name of a local dealer (the guys with the
>> tool trucks), see if they have one of the tools in stock, bring some
>> crimps and give the tool a try.
>>
>>
>
>
> Thanks.
>
> There's a Snap-On truck guy who lives near me.
>
> --
> Tegger
>

If that doesn't work, I think the next step is to call Panduit or a local
distributor. I can't believe they don't have an inexpensive tool with the
right shaped teeth & grooves. This is nuts.
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"JoeSpareBedroom" <dishborealis.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote in
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> "Tegger" <tegger.TakeThisOut@tegger.c0m> wrote in message
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>> "JoeSpareBedroom" <dishborealis.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote in
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>>>
>>> If the Snap-On site allows returns for a full refund, that might be
>>> the way to go. Or, get the name of a local dealer (the guys with the
>>> tool trucks), see if they have one of the tools in stock, bring some
>>> crimps and give the tool a try.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> There's a Snap-On truck guy who lives near me.
>>
>>
>>
>
> If that doesn't work, I think the next step is to call Panduit or a
> local distributor. I can't believe they don't have an inexpensive tool
> with the right shaped teeth & grooves. This is nuts.
>
>


It's partly me, I'm sure.

Haven't got off my butt to...just...go get the damned thing.

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On Sat, 05 Jul 2008 16:09:06 GMT, Mad As Hell <madr.TakeThisOut@anonmail.com>
wrote:

>"rich" <rich99sue.TakeThisOut@sbcglobal.net>
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>> I love my 07 Sienna van...but....the interior 12 volt outlets go
>> off when the key goes off.
>>
>> I know the reason ( to prevent battery run down if something is plugged
>> in)...but...I would far rather take a chance on leaving something
>> plugged in and running down the battery..over..having my Garmin GPS and
>> my external XP radio go dead EVERY single time I jump out of the car for
>> a few minutes. The battery back-up in each of those devices doesn't last
>> long enough.
>>
>> Any ideas or suggestions appreciated. I did read the manual but
>> couldn't find any re-programming or other fix. thanks, Rich
>>
>>
>
>Uh, you might want to check that again. I left my spotlight plugged in on
>the back outlet for a long time, all the time, to recharge and keep a
>charge, and my battery after about a month, kept going down. A couple of
>times I had to jump start it.
>
>I took it to Toyo and they happily gave me a new battery. As I opened my
>back lid to get some stuff out while I was waiting in service, I noticed
>the spotlight laying in the pocket their, in the dark, and the little red
>light on.
>My keyes were in my hand.
>Slow trickle discharge.
>
>Oh well, a new battery. No charge,,,,,get it? no charge? He he

My Corolla has two 12v outlets, one on the center console and the
other inside the center storage compartment. BOTH are controlled by
the key. As soon as I get the time, I'm going to add a third power
outlet that will be hot all the time and mount it just to the left of
the glove compartment. Why couldn't they have wired one of them hot?

This is just another example car manufacturers holding their customers
in contempt. You're too stupid to turn your lights on at night all by
yourself, so we'll put an auto-on feature on them and charge everyone
for it.

You can't be trusted to turn off things you might plug into a power
outlet so we'll take away the convenience of a 'hot all the time'
outlet and control it with the key. That way, you won't run your
battery down. Never mind the fact that you can't plug in a laptop
with a dead battery and use it without running the engine.

Some people shouldn't be allowed out without a keeper, they're too
dumb to notice a car coming toward them. So we'll put a "safety
feature" on all our cars called Daytime Running Lights. "If it saves
just one life, it's worth the billions of dollars it will cost you."

Jack
(who, despite rumors to the contrary, isn't dumb)
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"Retired VIP" <jackj.extradots.180.RemoveThis@windstream.net> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 05 Jul 2008 16:09:06 GMT, Mad As Hell <madr.RemoveThis@anonmail.com>
> wrote:
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>>"rich" <rich99sue.RemoveThis@sbcglobal.net>
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>>
>>> I love my 07 Sienna van...but....the interior 12 volt outlets go
>>> off when the key goes off.
>>>
>>> I know the reason ( to prevent battery run down if something is plugged
>>> in)...but...I would far rather take a chance on leaving something
>>> plugged in and running down the battery..over..having my Garmin GPS and
>>> my external XP radio go dead EVERY single time I jump out of the car for
>>> a few minutes. The battery back-up in each of those devices doesn't last
>>> long enough.
>>>
>>> Any ideas or suggestions appreciated. I did read the manual but
>>> couldn't find any re-programming or other fix. thanks, Rich
>>>
>>>
>>
>>Uh, you might want to check that again. I left my spotlight plugged in on
>>the back outlet for a long time, all the time, to recharge and keep a
>>charge, and my battery after about a month, kept going down. A couple of
>>times I had to jump start it.
>>
>>I took it to Toyo and they happily gave me a new battery. As I opened my
>>back lid to get some stuff out while I was waiting in service, I noticed
>>the spotlight laying in the pocket their, in the dark, and the little red
>>light on.
>>My keyes were in my hand.
>>Slow trickle discharge.
>>
>>Oh well, a new battery. No charge,,,,,get it? no charge? He he
>
> My Corolla has two 12v outlets, one on the center console and the
> other inside the center storage compartment. BOTH are controlled by
> the key. As soon as I get the time, I'm going to add a third power
> outlet that will be hot all the time and mount it just to the left of
> the glove compartment. Why couldn't they have wired one of them hot?
>
> This is just another example car manufacturers holding their customers
> in contempt. You're too stupid to turn your lights on at night all by
> yourself, so we'll put an auto-on feature on them and charge everyone
> for it.
>
> You can't be trusted to turn off things you might plug into a power
> outlet so we'll take away the convenience of a 'hot all the time'
> outlet and control it with the key. That way, you won't run your
> battery down. Never mind the fact that you can't plug in a laptop
> with a dead battery and use it without running the engine.
>
> Some people shouldn't be allowed out without a keeper, they're too
> dumb to notice a car coming toward them. So we'll put a "safety
> feature" on all our cars called Daytime Running Lights. "If it saves
> just one life, it's worth the billions of dollars it will cost you."
>
> Jack
> (who, despite rumors to the contrary, isn't dumb)



To be fair to the automakers, they do worry about being sued.

What do you suppose some numbnut would do if he left something connected,
and it overheated and caught the car on fire? The idiot would blame the
automaker for not making the power source go cold when the vehicle was
unattended.
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