Any way to keep the 12 v outlets ON on my Sienna?

"rich" <rich99sue.DeleteThis@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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> Ray, thanks for the help. From what I've found (using your first
> suggestion) does this device appear to be the right choice??
> http://www.autotoys.com/x/catalog/FUSE_TAP_ATC_SPADE_LARGE_p_2095.html
>
> As I understand it, I plug this device in ( probably using an unused fuse
> receptacle since I don't have --heated seats--- etc. ) ... I now would
> prefer running the wire to a new double cigarette plug receptacle (
> leaving the original factory receptacles alone)...
>
> Where do I safely run the other side of the female cigarette receptacle
> wiring to? I presume it goes to "ground" somewhere. What might be the
> best place to lift a screw, put a round terminal on the wire, and then
> replace the screw?? thanks Rich
>
> p.s. Is the Sienna a negative or positive grounded vehicle...(not that it
> matters for what I am doing, I guess).

Yes, the taps in your link are the ones I was describing. You can usually
find them with the fuses at auto parts stores. Use a female insulated spade
connector to hook on to the tab that protrudes from the tap. To install the
tap, pull a fuse from an always hot fuse like the dome light and use a test
light or volt meter to see which side of the fuse receptacle has 12 volts
and which side is dead. Put the fuse on to the tap and install the fuse and
tap so that the tap is on the side of the fuse receptacle that was dead.
That way, whatever you power off of the tap is protected by the dome light
fuse. Run a wire from the female spade to the center of the accessory plug
receptacle. To ground the receptacle, run a wire with a fork-type
connector on the end to a support screw under the dashboard, or look for a
screw that already has ground wires attached. Slide the fork under the
screw head and re-tighten the screw, and connect the other end of the wire
to the negative side of the receptacle.

On the Sienna, ground the negative side of the receptacle.

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"rich" <rich99sue DeleteThis @sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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> If you mean the rocker switch, near the middle of the dash..that has OFF
> DOOR ON..that doesn't do it. Is there another one? thanks Rich
>
> "Mike hunt" <mikehunt22 DeleteThis @lycos.com> wrote in message
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>> Try turning on the interior lights with the interior light switch. MBMS
>>

Turning on the interior lights with the interior light switch will not power
the accessory plugs in the Sienna.
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"Morton" <mort.TakeThisOut@cloud9.net> wrote in message
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> rich wrote:
>> I love my 07 Sienna van...but....the interior 12 volt outlets go
>> off when the key goes off.
>>
>> I know the reason ( to prevent battery run down if something is plugged
>> in)...but...I would far rather take a chance on leaving something plugged
>> in
>> and running down the battery..over..having my Garmin GPS and my external
>> XP
>> radio go dead EVERY single time I jump out of the car for a few minutes.
>> The
>> battery back-up in each of those devices doesn't last long enough.
>>
>> Any ideas or suggestions appreciated. I did read the manual but couldn't
>> find any re-programming or other fix. thanks, Rich
>>
> Hi,
>
> Have you approached your dealer with this problem? I have a Sienna now,
> but my previous minivan was a Dodge Grand Caravan (ugh). The Dodge had
> available a simple plug-in relay to replace the existing relay to the
> cigarette lighter outlet, to keep the outlet "live" even with the key off.
> Who knows, maybe Toyota offers that too.
>
> Good luck.
>
> Mort

Unfortunately, Toyota does not offer such a relay.
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> "JoeSpareBedroom" <dishborealis.DeleteThis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>> "Tegger" <tegger.DeleteThis@tegger.c0m> wrote in message
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>>> "JoeSpareBedroom" <dishborealis.DeleteThis@yahoo.com> wrote in
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>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> If he'd asked, I would've given him a link to a nice crimper tool.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I'd like that link.
>>>
>>> I have a feeling my two crimping tools aren't very good. I can't make a
>>> "roll" type crimp like my factory connectors have.
>>> Tegger
>>
>>
>>
>> Used to be you could buy a good one from a Mac Tool truck, but not any
>> more. I have two of those. One is locked up with my guns, in case a
>> household helper loses the other one.
>>
>> If I were going to buy one today, it would be this, from Panduit, who
>> also makes the best crimp connectors I've ever used:
>>
>> http://www.panduit.com/search/product_details.asp?Ntt=crimping+tool&N=...0001+30
>>
>> They make others - search for "crimping tools" at the site.
>
> The tool in the link is for NON-insulated crimp sleeves. The OP would
> need insulated crimp sleeves. I have a Klein crimp tool for non-insulated
> crimp sleeves that makes a nice rolled crimp. Klein tools are available
> at electrical supply houses.


Ooops. You're right. But anyway, Panduit makes one. The principal's the
same. A good tool will have a channel for the connector to sit in, and a
tooth to help shape the crimp when squeezed. Can't just be those lame-ass
tools with a flat blade.
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> "Tegger" <tegger.DeleteThis@tegger.c0m> wrote in message
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>> "JoeSpareBedroom" <dishborealis.DeleteThis@yahoo.com> wrote in
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>>
>>>
>>>
>>> If he'd asked, I would've given him a link to a nice crimper tool.
>>
>>
>>
>> I'd like that link.
>>
>> I have a feeling my two crimping tools aren't very good. I can't make
>> a "roll" type crimp like my factory connectors have.
>> Tegger
>
>
>
> Used to be you could buy a good one from a Mac Tool truck, but not any
> more. I have two of those. One is locked up with my guns, in case a
> household helper loses the other one.
>
> If I were going to buy one today, it would be this, from Panduit, who
> also makes the best crimp connectors I've ever used:
>
> http://www.panduit.com/search/product_details.asp?Ntt=crimping+tool&N=5
> 000001+3001755+&Nty=1&Ntx=mode+matchallpartial&recName=CT%2D1570&Ntk=Al
> l
>
> They make others - search for "crimping tools" at the site.
>
>


Ah, Panduit. I never thought of them. I'll bet those tools aren't your
$3.99 specials, either.

Thanks.

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> "JoeSpareBedroom" <dishborealis DeleteThis @yahoo.com> wrote in
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>> "Tegger" <tegger DeleteThis @tegger.c0m> wrote in message
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>>> "JoeSpareBedroom" <dishborealis DeleteThis @yahoo.com> wrote in
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>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> If he'd asked, I would've given him a link to a nice crimper tool.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I'd like that link.
>>>
>>> I have a feeling my two crimping tools aren't very good. I can't make
>>> a "roll" type crimp like my factory connectors have.
>>> Tegger
>>
>>
>>
>> Used to be you could buy a good one from a Mac Tool truck, but not any
>> more. I have two of those. One is locked up with my guns, in case a
>> household helper loses the other one.
>>
>> If I were going to buy one today, it would be this, from Panduit, who
>> also makes the best crimp connectors I've ever used:
>>
>> http://www.panduit.com/search/product_details.asp?Ntt=crimping+tool&N=5
>> 000001+3001755+&Nty=1&Ntx=mode+matchallpartial&recName=CT%2D1570&Ntk=Al
>> l
>>
>> They make others - search for "crimping tools" at the site.
>>
>>
>
>
> Ah, Panduit. I never thought of them. I'll bet those tools aren't your
> $3.99 specials, either.
>
> Thanks.
>
> --
> Tegger
>

No, but you wouldn't want a cheap crimper anyway, especially if you
sometimes use crimps for house wiring. (Building code allows that in some
locales)
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> "Tegger" <tegger RemoveThis @tegger.c0m> wrote in message
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>>
>> Ah, Panduit. I never thought of them. I'll bet those tools aren't
>> your $3.99 specials, either.
>>
>>
>>
>
> No, but you wouldn't want a cheap crimper anyway, especially if you
> sometimes use crimps for house wiring. (Building code allows that in
> some locales)
>
>



My whole point here is /get away/ from those cheap "$3.99 special"
crimpers, which is why I asked here. I've already got two of those and
neither is worth the metal they're made of.

At least now I have some idea what a good crimper looks like, which I did
not know before.

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> "JoeSpareBedroom" <dishborealis.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote in
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>> "Tegger" <tegger.TakeThisOut@tegger.c0m> wrote in message
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>>>
>>> Ah, Panduit. I never thought of them. I'll bet those tools aren't
>>> your $3.99 specials, either.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> No, but you wouldn't want a cheap crimper anyway, especially if you
>> sometimes use crimps for house wiring. (Building code allows that in
>> some locales)
>>
>>
>
>
>
> My whole point here is /get away/ from those cheap "$3.99 special"
> crimpers, which is why I asked here. I've already got two of those and
> neither is worth the metal they're made of.
>
> At least now I have some idea what a good crimper looks like, which I did
> not know before.
>
> --
> Tegger
>

I think it was Ray who mentioned Klein tools, and I *might* have seen their
crimpers at Home Depot, in the display case they keep locked (the good
stuff). Worth a look. As long as it's got the channel into which the crimp
sits, and the tooth on the opposite side, you're in good shape. Then, pay
the big money for some Panduit connectors and you'll be happy. I've used
them for car & boat installations and found they don't deteriorate for many
years. Use heat shrink tubing around them for exposed applications.
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>>
>
> I think it was Ray who mentioned Klein tools, and I *might* have seen
> their crimpers at Home Depot, in the display case they keep locked
> (the good stuff). Worth a look. As long as it's got the channel into
> which the crimp sits, and the tooth on the opposite side, you're in
> good shape. Then, pay the big money for some Panduit connectors and
> you'll be happy. I've used them for car & boat installations and found
> they don't deteriorate for many years. Use heat shrink tubing around
> them for exposed applications.
>
>


I'm going to check out Home Depot tomorrow and see what they've got.
Thanks.

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> "JoeSpareBedroom" <dishborealis RemoveThis @yahoo.com> wrote in
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>
>>>
>>
>> I think it was Ray who mentioned Klein tools, and I *might* have seen
>> their crimpers at Home Depot, in the display case they keep locked
>> (the good stuff). Worth a look. As long as it's got the channel into
>> which the crimp sits, and the tooth on the opposite side, you're in
>> good shape. Then, pay the big money for some Panduit connectors and
>> you'll be happy. I've used them for car & boat installations and found
>> they don't deteriorate for many years. Use heat shrink tubing around
>> them for exposed applications.
>>
>>
>
>
> I'm going to check out Home Depot tomorrow and see what they've got.
> Thanks.
>
> --
> Tegger
>


Don't buy their crimps, though. Panduit sells through electronics
distributors. It might be a pain in the ass to obtain their stuff, but it's
worth it.

Hint: If you look through the plastic sleeve of the crimp, you'll see a seam
in the metal part inside. Make sure the tooth of the crimping tool hits the
side opposite that seam. In other words, when you place the crimp into the
channel of the tool, that seam should be at the bottom. Try one the wrong
way, and then take a close look at the results, which will be
self-explanatory.
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> Panduit sells through electronics
> distributors. It might be a pain in the ass to obtain their stuff, but
> it's worth it.
>
> Hint: If you look through the plastic sleeve of the crimp, you'll see
> a seam in the metal part inside. Make sure the tooth of the crimping
> tool hits the side opposite that seam. In other words, when you place
> the crimp into the channel of the tool, that seam should be at the
> bottom. Try one the wrong way, and then take a close look at the
> results, which will be self-explanatory.
>
>



Electrosonic is a retailer within reach of me. Here are their
Panduit crimping tools:
<http://www.e-sonic.com/acc/products.aspx?command=parameter&groupid=&brand=&brandname=&VendorGroup=&type=keyword&text=crimp+tool&part=&categoryID=5DB00D91-20CF-44C0-85D6-632317649603&categoryname=Crimping+Tool&groupname=Terminals>

Which of these would you recommend for general-purpose automotive use?

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> "JoeSpareBedroom" <dishborealis.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote in
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>
>
>> Panduit sells through electronics
>> distributors. It might be a pain in the ass to obtain their stuff, but
>> it's worth it.
>>
>> Hint: If you look through the plastic sleeve of the crimp, you'll see
>> a seam in the metal part inside. Make sure the tooth of the crimping
>> tool hits the side opposite that seam. In other words, when you place
>> the crimp into the channel of the tool, that seam should be at the
>> bottom. Try one the wrong way, and then take a close look at the
>> results, which will be self-explanatory.
>>
>>
>
>
>
> Electrosonic is a retailer within reach of me. Here are their
> Panduit crimping tools:
> <http://www.e-sonic.com/acc/products.aspx?command=parameter&groupid=&brand=&brandname=&VendorGroup=&type=keyword&text=crimp+tool&part=&categoryID=5DB00D91-20CF-44C0-85D6-632317649603&categoryname=Crimping+Tool&groupname=Terminals>
>
> Which of these would you recommend for general-purpose automotive use?
>
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>
>


Jeez! $300-ish for some of those crimpers? Those are all compound tools,
meaning they've got complicated innards which make the crimps easier to
squeeze. If you were doing that kind of work all day long, it would be worth
that kind of money to avoid hand fatigue.

I have something like this.

http://buy1.snapon.com/catalog/item.asp?P65=&tool=all&item_ID=15632&gr..._ID=797

But, it says it's good for 14 to 22 gauge crimps. Take a look at the Panduit
site and see what wire size the yellow barrel crimps are meant for. The wire
that fits the yellow crimp is not uncommon in cars, especially if you're
running power lines for car stereo amplifiers. If the Panduit site says the
yellow crimps are for 14 or 16 gauge, then that Snap-On crimper should do
the trick. You don't have to find a Snap-On dealer to buy it. Order it
directly.

Someone else here mentioned Klein crimpers, but I just checked all the tools
at their site. None are designed correctly.
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>> "JoeSpareBedroom" <dishborealis RemoveThis @yahoo.com> wrote in
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>>
>>
>>> Panduit sells through electronics
>>> distributors. It might be a pain in the ass to obtain their stuff, but
>>> it's worth it.
>>>
>>> Hint: If you look through the plastic sleeve of the crimp, you'll see
>>> a seam in the metal part inside. Make sure the tooth of the crimping
>>> tool hits the side opposite that seam. In other words, when you place
>>> the crimp into the channel of the tool, that seam should be at the
>>> bottom. Try one the wrong way, and then take a close look at the
>>> results, which will be self-explanatory.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Electrosonic is a retailer within reach of me. Here are their
>> Panduit crimping tools:
>> <http://www.e-sonic.com/acc/products.aspx?command=parameter&groupid=&brand=&brandname=&VendorGroup=&type=keyword&text=crimp+tool&part=&categoryID=5DB00D91-20CF-44C0-85D6-632317649603&categoryname=Crimping+Tool&groupname=Terminals>
>>
>> Which of these would you recommend for general-purpose automotive use?
>>
>> --
>> Tegger
>>
>>
>
>
> Jeez! $300-ish for some of those crimpers? Those are all compound tools,
> meaning they've got complicated innards which make the crimps easier to
> squeeze. If you were doing that kind of work all day long, it would be
> worth that kind of money to avoid hand fatigue.
>
> I have something like this.
>
> http://buy1.snapon.com/catalog/item.asp?P65=&tool=all&item_ID=15632&gr..._ID=797
>
> But, it says it's good for 14 to 22 gauge crimps. Take a look at the
> Panduit site and see what wire size the yellow barrel crimps are meant
> for. The wire that fits the yellow crimp is not uncommon in cars,
> especially if you're running power lines for car stereo amplifiers. If the
> Panduit site says the yellow crimps are for 14 or 16 gauge, then that
> Snap-On crimper should do the trick. You don't have to find a Snap-On
> dealer to buy it. Order it directly.
>
> Someone else here mentioned Klein crimpers, but I just checked all the
> tools at their site. None are designed correctly.
What about
these?http://www.kleinconnection.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Product2_10001_10001_-1_12923_14931


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