'08 Accord

"Jim Tiberio" <jimtiberio DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>A pre-cursor to the '09 TL? It looks like a cross between a 5 series and a
>TL in the commercials. I have an '06 TL and love it but wouldn't mind a
>bit more size a bit more power without the RL price. It looks like an
>Acura version of that Accord may accomplish that. Any thoughts or insight?
>

I also own a TL and after owning several Accords I'm ready for a RWD. I'm
not even considering another FWD. I'm thinking either 3-Series or Lexus IS.
Do you think Honda/Acura will ever try for a piece of the RWD market share?
I don't want AWD either, I already own an Impreza as well.
MZ
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On Wed, 3 Oct 2007 14:36:31 -0300, "MZ" <martinzed@ NOSPAM gmail.com>
wrote:

>
>"Jim Tiberio" <jimtiberio DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>>A pre-cursor to the '09 TL? It looks like a cross between a 5 series and a
>>TL in the commercials. I have an '06 TL and love it but wouldn't mind a
>>bit more size a bit more power without the RL price. It looks like an
>>Acura version of that Accord may accomplish that. Any thoughts or insight?
>>
>
>I also own a TL and after owning several Accords I'm ready for a RWD. I'm
>not even considering another FWD. I'm thinking either 3-Series or Lexus IS.
>Do you think Honda/Acura will ever try for a piece of the RWD market share?
>I don't want AWD either, I already own an Impreza as well.

Buy a S2000, or a used NSX. I think those are your only options if
you stick with Honda. Not that either choice of car is a bad one, but
it kind of assumes that you don't have to worry about wife & kids &
dogs, etc.
--
Dan.
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On Oct 3, 1:36 pm, "MZ" <martinzed@ NOSPAM gmail.com> wrote:

>
> I also own a TL and after owning several Accords I'm ready for a RWD. I'm
> not even considering another FWD. I'm thinking either 3-Series or Lexus IS.
> Do you think Honda/Acura will ever try for a piece of the RWD market share?
> I don't want AWD either, I already own an Impreza as well.
> MZ

FYI: the Infiniti G35/G37 are RWDs.

Before writing off AWD you might want to try an Acura RL. Honda's SH-
AWD is supposed to improve the car's ability to put down the power in
corners. It's very likely SH-AWD will be available in the next TL (if
Honda wishes to keep that car competitive).

Honda RWD: every RWD car Honda has produced in the last 20 years (and
the list is short) has been allowed to die a slow and agonizing death
(no significant upgrades, improvements or make-overs). Honda wasted a
ton of money developing their trucklets. I don't see them investing in
anything other than proven moneymakers in the near future. If the C7
Corvette is a mid-engined car (as Autoextremist.com predicts) I
wouldn't be surprised to see Honda kill their NSX replacement.

Have you driven a mid-engined RWD car (Porsche Boxster or Caymen)?
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"Dean Dark" <ddrake RemoveThis @comcast.notthis.net> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 3 Oct 2007 14:36:31 -0300, "MZ" <martinzed@ NOSPAM gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Jim Tiberio" <jimtiberio RemoveThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>news:5mgl20Fd9eejU1@mid.individual.net...
>>>A pre-cursor to the '09 TL? It looks like a cross between a 5 series and
>>>a
>>>TL in the commercials. I have an '06 TL and love it but wouldn't mind a
>>>bit more size a bit more power without the RL price. It looks like an
>>>Acura version of that Accord may accomplish that. Any thoughts or
>>>insight?
>>>
>>
>>I also own a TL and after owning several Accords I'm ready for a RWD. I'm
>>not even considering another FWD. I'm thinking either 3-Series or Lexus
>>IS.
>>Do you think Honda/Acura will ever try for a piece of the RWD market
>>share?
>>I don't want AWD either, I already own an Impreza as well.
>
> Buy a S2000, or a used NSX. I think those are your only options if
> you stick with Honda. Not that either choice of car is a bad one, but
> it kind of assumes that you don't have to worry about wife & kids &
> dogs, etc.
> --
> Dan.

I'm talking daily driver.
MZ
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On Fri, 5 Oct 2007 16:29:30 -0300, "MZ" <martinzed@ NOSPAM gmail.com>
wrote:

>> Buy a S2000, or a used NSX. I think those are your only options if
>> you stick with Honda. Not that either choice of car is a bad one, but
>> it kind of assumes that you don't have to worry about wife & kids &
>> dogs, etc.

>I'm talking daily driver.

They're both two-seat daily drivers. They're Hondas.
--
Dan.
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"ACAR" <dimndsonmywndshld.DeleteThis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> On Oct 3, 1:36 pm, "MZ" <martinzed@ NOSPAM gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> I also own a TL and after owning several Accords I'm ready for a RWD.
>> I'm
>> not even considering another FWD. I'm thinking either 3-Series or Lexus
>> IS.
>> Do you think Honda/Acura will ever try for a piece of the RWD market
>> share?
>> I don't want AWD either, I already own an Impreza as well.
>> MZ
>
> FYI: the Infiniti G35/G37 are RWDs.
>
> Before writing off AWD you might want to try an Acura RL. Honda's SH-
> AWD is supposed to improve the car's ability to put down the power in
> corners. It's very likely SH-AWD will be available in the next TL (if
> Honda wishes to keep that car competitive).
>
> Honda RWD: every RWD car Honda has produced in the last 20 years (and
> the list is short) has been allowed to die a slow and agonizing death
> (no significant upgrades, improvements or make-overs). Honda wasted a
> ton of money developing their trucklets. I don't see them investing in
> anything other than proven moneymakers in the near future. If the C7
> Corvette is a mid-engined car (as Autoextremist.com predicts) I
> wouldn't be surprised to see Honda kill their NSX replacement.
>
> Have you driven a mid-engined RWD car (Porsche Boxster or Caymen)?

Yes, but I talking about my next daily driver. I hadn't considered the
Infinity G, would have to be sedan though.
MZ
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I have a TL and an NSX. I know people are all hung up on RWD, but to tell
the truth, my TL has never given me any problems related to FWD operation.
In fact, I am not sure I would even be able to tell whether it's driving
from the front or back wheels for 99.5% of the time. I think it's much ado
about nothing, unless you are driving like a maniac and in that case, you
shouldn't be driving on a public road anyway.

My NSX is perhaps one of the best cars ever made. It looks great and is so
well built that I have never had any trouble in the five years I've owned
it. Nothing at all has gone wrong. I recommend it without reservation.
You can get a nice used one for about $50K. And it will still be worth that
for years to come. I see people buying old muscle cars in the six figures
and wonder what they are thinking. An NSX is better and faster than all the
muscle cars ever built. 0-60 in 4.5 seconds and high 12's in the quarter
mile. And it handles better than nearly every car ever built.

Ciao,

- Russ

On 10/04/2007 4:36 AM, in article
1191497787.709868.189190 RemoveThis @n39g2000hsh.googlegroups.com, "ACAR"
<dimndsonmywndshld RemoveThis @yahoo.com> wrote:

> On Oct 3, 1:36 pm, "MZ" <martinzed@ NOSPAM gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> I also own a TL and after owning several Accords I'm ready for a RWD. I'm
>> not even considering another FWD. I'm thinking either 3-Series or Lexus IS.
>> Do you think Honda/Acura will ever try for a piece of the RWD market share?
>> I don't want AWD either, I already own an Impreza as well.
>> MZ
>
> FYI: the Infiniti G35/G37 are RWDs.
>
> Before writing off AWD you might want to try an Acura RL. Honda's SH-
> AWD is supposed to improve the car's ability to put down the power in
> corners. It's very likely SH-AWD will be available in the next TL (if
> Honda wishes to keep that car competitive).
>
> Honda RWD: every RWD car Honda has produced in the last 20 years (and
> the list is short) has been allowed to die a slow and agonizing death
> (no significant upgrades, improvements or make-overs). Honda wasted a
> ton of money developing their trucklets. I don't see them investing in
> anything other than proven moneymakers in the near future. If the C7
> Corvette is a mid-engined car (as Autoextremist.com predicts) I
> wouldn't be surprised to see Honda kill their NSX replacement.
>
> Have you driven a mid-engined RWD car (Porsche Boxster or Caymen)?
>
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On Fri, 05 Oct 2007 20:46:12 -0700, Russell Lombardo
<rlombardo.DeleteThis@cox.net> wrote:

>I have a TL and an NSX. I know people are all hung up on RWD, but to tell
>the truth, my TL has never given me any problems related to FWD operation.
>In fact, I am not sure I would even be able to tell whether it's driving
>from the front or back wheels for 99.5% of the time. I think it's much ado
>about nothing, unless you are driving like a maniac and in that case, you
>shouldn't be driving on a public road anyway.

I would tend to agree. Unless you are really looking for all-out
performance (ala NSX or S2000) you would probably get better overall
service with FWD or AWD. I think RWD has become a fad item. No doubt
BMWs and the like are great performing vehicles, but I seldom see any
indication that the typical BMW driver is inclined to ever use that
performance, or even that he knows how. When you see cars like the
Chrysler 300 with RWD, you know it has progressed to joke status.

Personally, I can get better street performance from a FWD car like my
GSR, because it is more forgiving of mistakes. On a race track, it is
a different story. I have gone off the track backwards on more than
one occasion and I don't really see that kind of behavior as desirable
in a street car.


>
>My NSX is perhaps one of the best cars ever made. It looks great and is so
>well built that I have never had any trouble in the five years I've owned
>it. Nothing at all has gone wrong. I recommend it without reservation.
>You can get a nice used one for about $50K. And it will still be worth that
>for years to come. I see people buying old muscle cars in the six figures
>and wonder what they are thinking. An NSX is better and faster than all the
>muscle cars ever built. 0-60 in 4.5 seconds and high 12's in the quarter
>mile. And it handles better than nearly every car ever built.
>
>Ciao,
>
> - Russ
>
>On 10/04/2007 4:36 AM, in article
>1191497787.709868.189190@n39g2000hsh.googlegroups.com, "ACAR"
><dimndsonmywndshld.DeleteThis@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> On Oct 3, 1:36 pm, "MZ" <martinzed@ NOSPAM gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I also own a TL and after owning several Accords I'm ready for a RWD. I'm
>>> not even considering another FWD. I'm thinking either 3-Series or Lexus IS.
>>> Do you think Honda/Acura will ever try for a piece of the RWD market share?
>>> I don't want AWD either, I already own an Impreza as well.
>>> MZ
>>
>> FYI: the Infiniti G35/G37 are RWDs.
>>
>> Before writing off AWD you might want to try an Acura RL. Honda's SH-
>> AWD is supposed to improve the car's ability to put down the power in
>> corners. It's very likely SH-AWD will be available in the next TL (if
>> Honda wishes to keep that car competitive).
>>
>> Honda RWD: every RWD car Honda has produced in the last 20 years (and
>> the list is short) has been allowed to die a slow and agonizing death
>> (no significant upgrades, improvements or make-overs). Honda wasted a
>> ton of money developing their trucklets. I don't see them investing in
>> anything other than proven moneymakers in the near future. If the C7
>> Corvette is a mid-engined car (as Autoextremist.com predicts) I
>> wouldn't be surprised to see Honda kill their NSX replacement.
>>
>> Have you driven a mid-engined RWD car (Porsche Boxster or Caymen)?
>>
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On Oct 6, 1:41 pm, Gordon McGrew <gmcg....TakeThisOut@mindspring.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 05 Oct 2007 20:46:12 -0700, Russell Lombardo
>
> <rlomba....TakeThisOut@cox.net> wrote:
> >I have a TL and an NSX. I know people are all hung up on RWD, but to tell
> >the truth, my TL has never given me any problems related to FWD operation.
> >In fact, I am not sure I would even be able to tell whether it's driving
> >from the front or back wheels for 99.5% of the time. I think it's much ado
> >about nothing, unless you are driving like a maniac and in that case, you
> >shouldn't be driving on a public road anyway.
>
> I would tend to agree. Unless you are really looking for all-out
> performance (ala NSX or S2000) you would probably get better overall
> service with FWD or AWD. I think RWD has become a fad item. No doubt
> BMWs and the like are great performing vehicles, but I seldom see any
> indication that the typical BMW driver is inclined to ever use that
> performance, or even that he knows how. When you see cars like the
> Chrysler 300 with RWD, you know it has progressed to joke status.
>
> Personally, I can get better street performance from a FWD car like my
> GSR, because it is more forgiving of mistakes. On a race track, it is
> a different story. I have gone off the track backwards on more than
> one occasion and I don't really see that kind of behavior as desirable
> in a street car.
>
>
>
Now Gordon, you know damn well that you'd be steering with the
throttle if you were in a RWD car. True the typical BMW driver would
be better served by an Acura TL but the typical BMW ( and apparently
NSX) driver doesn't know the difference between oversteer and
understeer. While I agree that generally it's more fun to drive a slow
car fast than a fast car slow I wouldn't trade my Corvette for my old
Integra. It's a lot more fun way more than 0.5% of the time.

Regarding the RWD 300 or GM's plans for large RWD cars; I got nothing.
4000 lb. cars sliding thru winter; wow it's the '60s all over again
but with ABS (that won't save anyone's ass unless the car is pointed
in the right direction).
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MZ wrote:

>
> I also own a TL and after owning several Accords I'm ready for a RWD. I'm
> not even considering another FWD. I'm thinking either 3-Series or Lexus IS.
> Do you think Honda/Acura will ever try for a piece of the RWD market share?

It seems highly unlikely. Honda is a master of platform sharing and it
seems unlikely they will ever build a passenger car RWD platform. The
obvious place to make a RWD vehicle would have been the Ridgeline, but
instead it was created off the Odyssey/Pilot platform.

There are, however, some very nice RWD vehicles on the market. The
Infinity G35 is also worth looking at.
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