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Since: Mar 23, 2004 Posts: 1179
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(Msg. 46) Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2007 2:09 pm
Post subject: Re: Redux: '06 Ram w/Diesel -- Doesn't 'hold' heat [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: alt>autos>dodge>trucks (more info?)
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"Hober Mallow" <hoberxxx.DeleteThis@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> Hello Everyone,
>
> I maybe poked a stick into a hornets nest with my original question of
> 'losing heat', but here's what happened to my '06 Ram with Cummins
> Diesel (6-speed manual transmission) yesterday....
Nope you didn't poke anything. This is just they this grroup functions at
times.
> I live on a owner-maintained gravel road and went to get some 'inch-and-
> a-quarter-minus' crushed rock to fill in some potholes. I purchased
> about 3/4 ton of crushed rock.
>
> By the time I got home with the crushed rock (total trip of about 18
> miles) my temperature gauge registered right in the middle at, what, 200
> degrees.
>
> I had my shovel with me, so I commenced to fill in the potholes as I
> returned home down my gravel road. The technique is to stop, fill in a
> couple of potholes, move down the road, fill in a couple more potholes,
> etc., etc. At each stop, I kept the Cummins Diesel running, and used
> the parking brake.
>
> By the time I finished and returned to my house, the temperature gauge
> had actually DROPPED and was registering about two thirds of the way
> from stone cold to half-way.
>
> Man, talk about losing heat from the Diesel motor !!!
That is a very efficent cooling system that you have. If not being worked it
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Since: Oct 28, 2007 Posts: 72
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(Msg. 47) Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2007 3:45 pm
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> I maybe poked a stick into a hornets nest with my original question of
Nah - you didn't do anything. We just have a few volatile individuals here,
who love nothing more than to show the world their finely-honed debate
skills, coupled with their mastery of the English language. Pay no
attention...
> Any comments? Thanks.
Well, you haven't told us what part of the country you're in, but
regardless, an idling Cummins won't generate enough heat to overcome the
efficiency of the radiator. I've seen my EGT's (exhaust gas temperature)
drop to almost 200°F during extended periods of idling (caution: don't do
this - it's not good for the engine). When you consider that the cooling
system can maintain a water temperature of 195°F even when the engine's
cranking out EGT's of 900°F, it's no wonder the engine cools off as much as
it does when idling.
The problem with this, aside from the fact that the cab heater doesn't work
as well, is that with the engine that cold, some of the injected fuel can
re-condense on the cylinder walls, washing the oil away, and allowing the
rings to score the cylinders. Now, don't get worried - this doesn't happen
overnight. However, on vehicles that spend a lot of their time idling away
in colder weather, over a period of years, the engines show significantly
more wear than if they were worked instead of idled.
A possible solution may be something as simple as a winter cover on your
grill. By blocking off some of the airflow to the radiator, you can keep
more heat in the engine.
Another option may be the high idle feature... with a little electrical
work, you can get this feature enabled on your truck so that you can turn up
the idle speed via the cruise control. Details on this can be found here:
http://www.dieseltruckresource.com/dev/showpost.php?p=1170415&postcount=21
Yet another option could be an exhaust brake. When the exhaust brake is
engaged, it creates a restriction in the exhaust, making the engine work
harder to maintain it's programmed idle speed. This additional load is
enough to keep the engine temps up (and, as a bonus, lets the engine warm up
quicker from a cold start. Faster warm-up = cab heat available sooner).
Of course, if this behavior isn't bothering you, and you're not
extended-idling your truck more than occasionally, you don't have to do
anything about it. >> Stay informed about: '06 Ram w/Diesel -- Doesn't 'hold' heat |
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Since: Dec 03, 2007 Posts: 28
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(Msg. 48) Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2007 8:19 pm
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Denny wrote:
> "Mike Simmons" <mikesim DeleteThis @yhti.net> wrote in message
> news:13l1klaaraevp1d@corp.supernews.com...
>
> ! How then could the load be determined,
>
>>we asked? He said that you simply picked up the table and weighed each
>>leg on a scale. A lesson in practical engineering I remember to this day!
>>
>
>
> That kinda sounds like the difference between an over-paid Detroit enginneer
> and a mechanic with common sense..........
>
> <VBG>
>
> Denny
And what if the weight problem your engineer needed to solve was 1000
miles away? Going to fly him out there? >> Stay informed about: '06 Ram w/Diesel -- Doesn't 'hold' heat |
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Since: Apr 23, 2007 Posts: 2
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(Msg. 49) Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2007 8:28 pm
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On Sun, 02 Dec 2007 12:34:49 -0600, Hober Mallow wrote:
> Hello Everyone,
>
> I maybe poked a stick into a hornets nest with my original question of
> 'losing heat', but here's what happened to my '06 Ram with Cummins
> Diesel (6-speed manual transmission) yesterday....
>
> I live on a owner-maintained gravel road and went to get some 'inch-and-
> a-quarter-minus' crushed rock to fill in some potholes. I purchased
> about 3/4 ton of crushed rock.
>
> By the time I got home with the crushed rock (total trip of about 18
> miles) my temperature gauge registered right in the middle at, what, 200
> degrees.
>
> I had my shovel with me, so I commenced to fill in the potholes as I
> returned home down my gravel road. The technique is to stop, fill in a
> couple of potholes, move down the road, fill in a couple more potholes,
> etc., etc. At each stop, I kept the Cummins Diesel running, and used
> the parking brake.
>
> By the time I finished and returned to my house, the temperature gauge
> had actually DROPPED and was registering about two thirds of the way
> from stone cold to half-way.
>
> Man, talk about losing heat from the Diesel motor !!!
>
> Any comments? Thanks.
>
> The Rocket Man
What you describe is completely normal for a Diesel engine. IIRC, they
idle at about 80:1 air fuel ratio. Not much fuel consumed at idle so
very little heat generated at idle. >> Stay informed about: '06 Ram w/Diesel -- Doesn't 'hold' heat |
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Since: Dec 03, 2007 Posts: 28
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(Msg. 50) Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2007 9:12 pm
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thedumbguy:
....
> cause problems. their "actions" certainly bear that out, so if you
> want to form an opnion based on impartial observations, keep that in
> mind. now that tom, would be a statement of fact.
Propaganda. TBag is one of a very few impartial regulars here.
You, Larry, Roy, Tom Lawrence, Edith, aarcuda, heatwave, etc., etc...
members of the clique. Punks.
For facts about the role I'm playing, we need to go back to "hole in the
bed" from March 19.
http://groups.google.co.in/group/alt.autos.dodge.trucks/browse_thread/...ead/e16 >> Stay informed about: '06 Ram w/Diesel -- Doesn't 'hold' heat |
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Since: Jul 30, 2006 Posts: 330
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(Msg. 51) Posted: Mon Dec 03, 2007 4:15 am
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"Beryl" <flyingterrapin RemoveThis @chillylbits.org> wrote in message
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> Edith:
>> I've never read such pearls of wisdom as "And I think of Delta T (or
>> Delta anything) as a change in T (or in anything). Different than a
>> differential"
>
> I can use a more toddleresque style for you if you need that.
>
>> Then there's "A differential exists between two or more things, all at
>> once, at the
>> same time. But a change in some thing does not exist at once, because
>> some thing that was once like that and then changed is no longer like
>> that, it's now like this. That's why there's time, so everything doesn't
>> all happen at once."
>
> Its right eye popped, Edith. I saw waves emanate from the site.
Please explain this statement. I can kind of follow your other stuff about
this, that, and time, but I really don't understand the above. I suspect
it's some kind on insult, however.
>
>> Lets not forget :"But I'm not an engineer."
>
> No, poor me. I have no official documents attesting to my ability.
Nothing wrong with that.
>
>> I only I wish I was half as smart as Beryl, then I might understand what
>> this genius wrote. Until I'm as smart as Beryl let me add these few
>> simple words:
>> Beryl, lay off the sauce man, or get yourself to an emergency room
>> because you write like you just suffered a stroke.
>
> I don't drink, Edith.
> Ok, I had a glass of wine 8 years ago.
> No drugs too. I'll send you a urine sample.
Got the urine sample, no drugs of any kind found, but...you're pregnant. >> Stay informed about: '06 Ram w/Diesel -- Doesn't 'hold' heat |
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Since: Dec 03, 2007 Posts: 28
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(Msg. 52) Posted: Mon Dec 03, 2007 4:15 am
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Ed H. wrote:
> "Beryl" <flyingterrapin.RemoveThis@chillylbits.org> wrote in message
> news:13l28vtsrt0kf71@corp.supernews.com...
>
>>Edith:
>>
>>>I've never read such pearls of wisdom as "And I think of Delta T (or
>>>Delta anything) as a change in T (or in anything). Different than a
>>>differential"
>>
>>I can use a more toddleresque style for you if you need that.
>>
>>
>>>Then there's "A differential exists between two or more things, all at
>>>once, at the
>>>same time. But a change in some thing does not exist at once, because
>>>some thing that was once like that and then changed is no longer like
>>>that, it's now like this. That's why there's time, so everything doesn't
>>>all happen at once."
>>
>>Its right eye popped, Edith. I saw waves emanate from the site.
>
> Please explain this statement. I can kind of follow your other stuff about
> this, that, and time, but I really don't understand the above. I suspect
> it's some kind on insult, however.
>
>
>>>Lets not forget :"But I'm not an engineer."
>>
>>No, poor me. I have no official documents attesting to my ability.
>
> Nothing wrong with that.
>
>
>>>I only I wish I was half as smart as Beryl, then I might understand what
>>>this genius wrote. Until I'm as smart as Beryl let me add these few
>>>simple words:
>>>Beryl, lay off the sauce man, or get yourself to an emergency room
>>>because you write like you just suffered a stroke.
>>
>>I don't drink, Edith.
>>Ok, I had a glass of wine 8 years ago.
>>No drugs too. I'll send you a urine sample.
>
>
> Got the urine sample, no drugs of any kind found, but...you're pregnant.
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Since: Dec 03, 2007 Posts: 28
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(Msg. 53) Posted: Mon Dec 03, 2007 4:15 am
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Edith:
> "Beryl" <flyingterrapin.DeleteThis@chillylbits.org> wrote in message
> news:13l28vtsrt0kf71@corp.supernews.com...
>
>>Edith:
>>
>>>I've never read such pearls of wisdom as "And I think of Delta T (or
>>>Delta anything) as a change in T (or in anything). Different than a
>>>differential"
>>
>>I can use a more toddleresque style for you if you need that.
>>
>>
>>>Then there's "A differential exists between two or more things, all at
>>>once, at the
>>>same time. But a change in some thing does not exist at once, because
>>>some thing that was once like that and then changed is no longer like
>>>that, it's now like this. That's why there's time, so everything doesn't
>>>all happen at once."
>>
>>Its right eye popped, Edith. I saw waves emanate from the site.
>
> Please explain this statement. I can kind of follow your other stuff about
> this, that, and time, but I really don't understand the above. I suspect
> it's some kind on insult, however.
No insult there, forget about it.
>>>Lets not forget :"But I'm not an engineer."
>>
>>No, poor me. I have no official documents attesting to my ability.
>
> Nothing wrong with that.
So then,
(0,50) (100,50)
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(0,0) (100,0)
Table measures 50 x 100
Book A is 14 lbs. at (20,35)
Book B is 27 lbs. at (60,20)
Do it.
>>>I only I wish I was half as smart as Beryl, then I might understand what
>>>this genius wrote. Until I'm as smart as Beryl let me add these few
>>>simple words:
>>>Beryl, lay off the sauce man, or get yourself to an emergency room
>>>because you write like you just suffered a stroke.
>>
>>I don't drink, Edith.
>>Ok, I had a glass of wine 8 years ago.
>>No drugs too. I'll send you a urine sample.
>
>
> Got the urine sample, no drugs of any kind found, but...you're pregnant. >> Stay informed about: '06 Ram w/Diesel -- Doesn't 'hold' heat |
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Since: Jul 12, 2003 Posts: 336
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(Msg. 54) Posted: Mon Dec 03, 2007 5:09 am
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"Beryl" <flyingterrapin.DeleteThis@chillybits.org> wrote in message
news:13l70q8hbduqs51@corp.supernews.com...
> Denny wrote:
>> "Mike Simmons" <mikesim.DeleteThis@yhti.net> wrote in message
>> news:13l1klaaraevp1d@corp.supernews.com...
>>
>> ! How then could the load be determined,
>>
>>>we asked? He said that you simply picked up the table and weighed each
>>>leg on a scale. A lesson in practical engineering I remember to this
>>>day!
>>>
>>
>>
>> That kinda sounds like the difference between an over-paid Detroit
>> enginneer and a mechanic with common sense..........
>>
>> <VBG>
>>
>> Denny
>
> And what if the weight problem your engineer needed to solve was 1000
> miles away? Going to fly him out there?
You must be an enginneer with this thinking.... How about
telephones...pictures....internet....
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(Msg. 55) Posted: Mon Dec 03, 2007 5:12 am
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"Beryl" <flyingterrapin RemoveThis @chillybits.org> wrote in message
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> thedumbguy:
>
> ...
>> cause problems. their "actions" certainly bear that out, so if you
>> want to form an opnion based on impartial observations, keep that in
>> mind. now that tom, would be a statement of fact.
>
> Propaganda. TBag is one of a very few impartial regulars here.
>
> You, Larry, Roy, Tom Lawrence, Edith, aarcuda, heatwave, etc., etc...
> members of the clique. Punks.
Hey Mike.... Looks like you and me got left out again. This is getting
kinda regular....
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Since: Jul 30, 2006 Posts: 330
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(Msg. 56) Posted: Mon Dec 03, 2007 6:35 am
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"Beryl" <flyingterrapin.RemoveThis@chillybits.org> wrote in message
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> Edith:
>
>> "Beryl" <flyingterrapin.RemoveThis@chillylbits.org> wrote in message
>> news:13l28vtsrt0kf71@corp.supernews.com...
>>
>>>Edith:
>>>
>>>>I've never read such pearls of wisdom as "And I think of Delta T (or
>>>>Delta anything) as a change in T (or in anything). Different than a
>>>>differential"
>>>
>>>I can use a more toddleresque style for you if you need that.
>>>
>>>
>>>>Then there's "A differential exists between two or more things, all at
>>>>once, at the
>>>>same time. But a change in some thing does not exist at once, because
>>>>some thing that was once like that and then changed is no longer like
>>>>that, it's now like this. That's why there's time, so everything doesn't
>>>>all happen at once."
>>>
>>>Its right eye popped, Edith. I saw waves emanate from the site.
>>
>> Please explain this statement. I can kind of follow your other stuff
>> about this, that, and time, but I really don't understand the above. I
>> suspect it's some kind on insult, however.
>
> No insult there, forget about it.
>
>>>>Lets not forget :"But I'm not an engineer."
>>>
>>>No, poor me. I have no official documents attesting to my ability.
>>
>> Nothing wrong with that.
>
> So then,
>
>
> (0,50) (100,50)
> -----------------------
> | |
> | A |
> | |
> | B |
> | |
> -----------------------
> (0,0) (100,0)
>
>
>
> Table measures 50 x 100
> Book A is 14 lbs. at (20,35)
> Book B is 27 lbs. at (60,20)
>
> Do it.
Answer: Book B is 13 lbs. heavier than book A.
>
>>>>I only I wish I was half as smart as Beryl, then I might understand
>>>>what this genius wrote. Until I'm as smart as Beryl let me add these
>>>>few simple words:
>>>>Beryl, lay off the sauce man, or get yourself to an emergency room
>>>>because you write like you just suffered a stroke.
>>>
>>>I don't drink, Edith.
>>>Ok, I had a glass of wine 8 years ago.
>>>No drugs too. I'll send you a urine sample.
>>
>>
>> Got the urine sample, no drugs of any kind found, but...you're pregnant. >> Stay informed about: '06 Ram w/Diesel -- Doesn't 'hold' heat |
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(Msg. 57) Posted: Mon Dec 03, 2007 6:35 am
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Edith:
> "Beryl" <flyingterrapin.RemoveThis@chillybits.org> wrote in message
>> (0,50) (100,50)
>> -----------------------
>> | |
>> | A |
>> | |
>> | B |
>> | |
>> -----------------------
>> (0,0) (100,0)
>>
>>
>>
>>Table measures 50 x 100
>>Book A is 14 lbs. at (20,35)
>>Book B is 27 lbs. at (60,20)
>>
>>Do it.
>
>
> Answer: Book B is 13 lbs. heavier than book A.
No. The distance between the books is 42.7 feet.
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(Msg. 58) Posted: Mon Dec 03, 2007 9:14 am
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"Denny" <wddodge.RemoveThis@woh.rr.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Beryl" <flyingterrapin.RemoveThis@chillybits.org> wrote in message
> news:13l73u4a47r0hd0@corp.supernews.com...
>> thedumbguy:
>>
>> ...
>>> cause problems. their "actions" certainly bear that out, so if you
>>> want to form an opnion based on impartial observations, keep that in
>>> mind. now that tom, would be a statement of fact.
>>
>> Propaganda. TBag is one of a very few impartial regulars here.
>>
>> You, Larry, Roy, Tom Lawrence, Edith, aarcuda, heatwave, etc., etc...
>> members of the clique. Punks.
>
> Hey Mike.... Looks like you and me got left out again. This is getting
> kinda regular....
>
> Denny
>
Probably has to do with pink bunny suits and heated seats.<G>
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(Msg. 59) Posted: Mon Dec 03, 2007 1:38 pm
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Denny wrote:
> "Beryl" <flyingterrapin.TakeThisOut@chillybits.org> wrote in message
> news:13l70q8hbduqs51@corp.supernews.com...
>
>>Denny wrote:
>>
>>>"Mike Simmons" <mikesim.TakeThisOut@yhti.net> wrote in message
>>>news:13l1klaaraevp1d@corp.supernews.com...
>>>
>>>! How then could the load be determined,
>>>
>>>
>>>>we asked? He said that you simply picked up the table and weighed each
>>>>leg on a scale. A lesson in practical engineering I remember to this
>>>>day!
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>That kinda sounds like the difference between an over-paid Detroit
>>>enginneer and a mechanic with common sense..........
>>>
>>><VBG>
>>>
>>>Denny
>>
>>And what if the weight problem your engineer needed to solve was 1000
>>miles away? Going to fly him out there?
>
>
> You must be an enginneer with this thinking.... How about
> telephones...pictures....internet....
So your "practical" engineer can build a duplicate of the problem in his
shop, and then weigh it?
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(Msg. 60) Posted: Mon Dec 03, 2007 7:18 pm
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"Beryl" <flyingterrapin.RemoveThis@chillybits.org> wrote in message
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> Denny wrote:
>
>> "Beryl" <flyingterrapin.RemoveThis@chillybits.org> wrote in message
>> news:13l70q8hbduqs51@corp.supernews.com...
>>
>>>Denny wrote:
>>>
>>>>"Mike Simmons" <mikesim.RemoveThis@yhti.net> wrote in message
>>>>news:13l1klaaraevp1d@corp.supernews.com...
>>>>
>>>>! How then could the load be determined,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>we asked? He said that you simply picked up the table and weighed each
>>>>>leg on a scale. A lesson in practical engineering I remember to this
>>>>>day!
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>That kinda sounds like the difference between an over-paid Detroit
>>>>enginneer and a mechanic with common sense..........
>>>>
>>>><VBG>
>>>>
>>>>Denny
>>>
>>>And what if the weight problem your engineer needed to solve was 1000
>>>miles away? Going to fly him out there?
>>
>>
>> You must be an enginneer with this thinking.... How about
>> telephones...pictures....internet....
>
> So your "practical" engineer can build a duplicate of the problem in his
> shop, and then weigh it?
I guess it all depends on how good he is and how bad he wants to duplicate
it..
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Dodge Ram 2500 Diesel fuel injectors - I met a guy who recently had his fuel injectors replaced on his 2001 Dodge Ram 2500 diesel (Cummins 5.9L). He tells me he gets 25 MPG with these new Robert Bosch RV fuel injectors. Before he got only 19MPG +/-. He showed me his overhead display for... |
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