'06 Ram w/Diesel -- Doesn't 'hold' heat

On Nov 30, 7:43 pm, the....TakeThisOut@whatever.net wrote:
> On Fri, 30 Nov 2007 18:14:17 -0800 (PST), azwiley1
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> <wiley....TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >On Nov 30, 6:31 pm, "Mike Simmons" <mike....TakeThisOut@yhti.net> wrote:
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> >> > On Nov 29, 10:47 pm, Beryl <flyingterra....TakeThisOut@chillylbits.org> wrote:
> >> >> Hober Mallow wrote:
> >> >> > Hello Everyone,
>
> >> >> > I drive an '06 Ram 2500 with Cummins Diesel motor.
>
> >> >> > It doesn't seem to 'hold' heat very well. I can have the truck all
> >> >> > warmed
> >> >> > up, right at the centerpoint of the temp gauge.
>
> >> >> > Then I'll park it and shut it off. In about an hour I'll come back to
> >> >> > start it up and the temperature gauge reads stone cold and I'll need to
> >> >> > warm it up completely again.
>
> >> >> > My truck seems to cool down rather quickly. I think the thermostat is
> >> >> > OK.
>
> >> >> > Someone told me this is because Diesel motors run on the principle of
> >> >> > using
> >> >> > as little fuel as possible, thus a Diesel just doesn't run as hot as a
> >> >> > gasoline motor.
>
> >> >> > Any comments? Suggestions? Thanks in advance.
>
> >> >> > The Rocket Man
>
> >> >> A narrow, stretched out inline engine has more surface area that a
> >> >> compact, chunky V-type.
>
> >> >> Now... combine that with a.a.d.t resident thermodynamacist punkin's
> >> >> intriguing hypothesis. LOL!- Hide quoted text -
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> >> > Intriguing hypothesis huh?
> >> > So you are tell me that if the out side temp is say 90 that the block
> >> > is going to cool down at the same rate as if the outside temp is say
> >> > 40? Bullshit.
>
> >> Go to the head of the class, Wiley! The temperature differential (delta t
> >> in engineer speak) is critical in the rate of heat loss.
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> >Aww gee thanks Mike. (I think) <g>
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> is that gonna piss sheryl off? just askin, cause i want to be there
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I am sure it will, as it will boner
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"azwiley1" <wiley156 RemoveThis @yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> On Nov 29, 10:47 pm, Beryl <flyingterra... RemoveThis @chillylbits.org> wrote:
>> Hober Mallow wrote:
>> > Hello Everyone,
>>
>> > I drive an '06 Ram 2500 with Cummins Diesel motor.
>>
>> > It doesn't seem to 'hold' heat very well. I can have the truck all
>> > warmed
>> > up, right at the centerpoint of the temp gauge.
>>
>> > Then I'll park it and shut it off. In about an hour I'll come back to
>> > start it up and the temperature gauge reads stone cold and I'll need to
>> > warm it up completely again.
>>
>> > My truck seems to cool down rather quickly. I think the thermostat is
>> > OK.
>>
>> > Someone told me this is because Diesel motors run on the principle of
>> > using
>> > as little fuel as possible, thus a Diesel just doesn't run as hot as a
>> > gasoline motor.
>>
>> > Any comments? Suggestions? Thanks in advance.
>>
>> > The Rocket Man
>>
>> A narrow, stretched out inline engine has more surface area that a
>> compact, chunky V-type.
>>
>> Now... combine that with a.a.d.t resident thermodynamacist punkin's
>> intriguing hypothesis. LOL!- Hide quoted text -
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>> - Show quoted text -
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> Intriguing hypothesis huh?
> So you are tell me that if the out side temp is say 90 that the block
> is going to cool down at the same rate as if the outside temp is say
> 40? Bullshit.

Go to the head of the class, Wiley! The temperature differential (delta t
in engineer speak) is critical in the rate of heat loss.

Mike
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>> >> >> Hober Mallow wrote:
>> >> >>> Hello Everyone,
>>
>> >> >>> I drive an '06 Ram 2500 with Cummins Diesel motor.
>>
>> >> >>> It doesn't seem to 'hold' heat very well. I can have the truck
>> >> >>> all
>> >> >>> warmed up, right at the centerpoint of the temp gauge.
>>
>> >> >>> Then I'll park it and shut it off. In about an hour I'll come
>> >> >>> back
>> >> >>> to
>> >> >>> start it up and the temperature gauge reads stone cold and I'll
>> >> >>> need
>> >> >>> to
>> >> >>> warm it up completely again.
>>
>> >> >>> My truck seems to cool down rather quickly. I think the
>> >> >>> thermostat
>> >> >>> is
>> >> >>> OK.
>>
>> >> >>> Someone told me this is because Diesel motors run on the principle
>> >> >>> of
>> >> >>> using as little fuel as possible, thus a Diesel just doesn't run
>> >> >>> as
>> >> >>> hot
>> >> >>> as a gasoline motor.
>>
>> >> >>> Any comments? Suggestions? Thanks in advance.
>>
>> >> >>> The Rocket Man
>>
>> >> >> A narrow, stretched out inline engine has more surface area that a
>> >> >> compact, chunky V-type.
>>
>> >> > What does that have to do with anything the OP asked?
>>
>> >> > BTW, I recently installed qLogic iCLi on 4 servers. This allowed me
>> >> > to
>> >> > upgrade the firmware of the individual iSCSI storage array members
>> >> > in a
>> >> > 3
>> >> > member storage array group - to which the 4 servers have a total
>> >> > of
>> >> > 10
>> >> > volumes attached - without shutting down any of the servers during
>> >> > the
>> >> > storage array firmware update process.
>>
>> >> > What's that have to do with anything? About as much as your answer
>> >> > to
>> >> > Hober Mallow does.
>>
>> >> Well dude, what it has to do with is the simple fact that more surface
>> >> area
>> >> of the inline block means that the engine can and will cool down
>> >> faster,
>> >> especially when no longer running . Perhaps you might want to
>> >> actually
>> >> read
>> >> and think about what was written before jumping in out of anger and
>> >> simply
>> >> making a fool out of yourself.
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>> > Nice of you you moderate again Tom, thanks.
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>> LOL, please explain to me how my post is in any way different than the
>> one
>> Ed posted or the one you just did for that matter. Grow up dude.
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> Oh yeah, if growing up would mean that I would end up anything like
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Then you seem to have gotten your wish, congratulations!

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>>>>>> Hober Mallow wrote:
>>>>>>> Hello Everyone,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I drive an '06 Ram 2500 with Cummins Diesel motor.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It doesn't seem to 'hold' heat very well. I can have the truck all
>>>>>>> warmed up, right at the centerpoint of the temp gauge.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Then I'll park it and shut it off. In about an hour I'll come back
>>>>>>> to start it up and the temperature gauge reads stone cold and I'll
>>>>>>> need to warm it up completely again.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My truck seems to cool down rather quickly. I think the thermostat
>>>>>>> is OK.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Someone told me this is because Diesel motors run on the principle
>>>>>>> of using as little fuel as possible, thus a Diesel just doesn't run
>>>>>>> as hot as a gasoline motor.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Any comments? Suggestions? Thanks in advance.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The Rocket Man
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A narrow, stretched out inline engine has more surface area that a
>>>>>> compact, chunky V-type.
>>>>>
>>>>> What does that have to do with anything the OP asked?
>>>>>
>>>>> BTW, I recently installed qLogic iCLi on 4 servers. This allowed me to
>>>>> upgrade the firmware of the individual iSCSI storage array members in
>>>>> a 3 member storage array group - to which the 4 servers have a total
>>>>> of 10 volumes attached - without shutting down any of the servers
>>>>> during the storage array firmware update process.
>>>>>
>>>>> What's that have to do with anything? About as much as your answer to
>>>>> Hober Mallow does.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Well dude, what it has to do with is the simple fact that more surface
>>>> area of the inline block means that the engine can and will cool down
>>>> faster, especially when no longer running .
>>>
>>> Do you think that it might have to do with the liquid that might
>>> disapate the heat quicker? Regards the size, a 360v is probably about
>>> the same in surface area but not as heavy as the I-6
>>
>>
>> Please explain to me exactly how the liquid within the block is going to
>> do much of anything when the engine is not running and it is not moving?
>
> Doesn't liquid moving or motionless wick heat from metal?

Wick it to where? The water is contained within the block so where is it
going to send the heat? When the engine is running the water carries the
heat to the radiator but when the engine is not...

>
>> A V-8 would not have as much surface area as an I-6 or to put it much
>> more accurately, not as much surface area in relation to total area.
>
> I really don't know if that is correct or not. But, there are a heck of a
> lot more parts to hold heat in a V360 than in a I-6

Just looking at it you can see that it does. In an inline block, both sides
of the cylinders are exposed to the outside air while in a V configuration,
only one side of each bank are exposed not to mention all of the internal
webbing that a V series has that simply doesn't exist with an inline block.

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>>>>>>> Hober Mallow wrote:
>>>>>>>> Hello Everyone,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I drive an '06 Ram 2500 with Cummins Diesel motor.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It doesn't seem to 'hold' heat very well. I can have the truck all
>>>>>>>> warmed up, right at the centerpoint of the temp gauge.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Then I'll park it and shut it off. In about an hour I'll come back
>>>>>>>> to start it up and the temperature gauge reads stone cold and I'll
>>>>>>>> need to warm it up completely again.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> My truck seems to cool down rather quickly. I think the thermostat
>>>>>>>> is OK.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Someone told me this is because Diesel motors run on the principle
>>>>>>>> of using as little fuel as possible, thus a Diesel just doesn't run
>>>>>>>> as hot as a gasoline motor.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Any comments? Suggestions? Thanks in advance.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The Rocket Man
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> A narrow, stretched out inline engine has more surface area that a
>>>>>>> compact, chunky V-type.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What does that have to do with anything the OP asked?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> BTW, I recently installed qLogic iCLi on 4 servers. This allowed me
>>>>>> to upgrade the firmware of the individual iSCSI storage array members
>>>>>> in a 3 member storage array group - to which the 4 servers have a
>>>>>> total of 10 volumes attached - without shutting down any of the
>>>>>> servers during the storage array firmware update process.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What's that have to do with anything? About as much as your answer
>>>>>> to Hober Mallow does.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Well dude, what it has to do with is the simple fact that more surface
>>>>> area of the inline block means that the engine can and will cool down
>>>>> faster, especially when no longer running .
>>>>
>>>> Do you think that it might have to do with the liquid that might
>>>> disapate the heat quicker? Regards the size, a 360v is probably about
>>>> the same in surface area but not as heavy as the I-6
>>>
>>>
>>> Please explain to me exactly how the liquid within the block is going to
>>> do much of anything when the engine is not running and it is not moving?
>>
>> Doesn't liquid moving or motionless wick heat from metal?
>
> Wick it to where? The water is contained within the block so where is it
> going to send the heat? When the engine is running the water carries the
> heat to the radiator but when the engine is not...

Even if the engine is not running, natural convection will cause water
currents to move within the engine thus transferring heat. Also, heat is
transferred from hot to cold thus the cooling of the exterior of the engine
will cause the heat to be transferred to the cooler exterior. If your
previous statement were true, the interior of the engine would never cool
off.

Mike

>
>>
>>> A V-8 would not have as much surface area as an I-6 or to put it much
>>> more accurately, not as much surface area in relation to total area.
>>
>> I really don't know if that is correct or not. But, there are a heck of a
>> lot more parts to hold heat in a V360 than in a I-6
>
> Just looking at it you can see that it does. In an inline block, both
> sides of the cylinders are exposed to the outside air while in a V
> configuration, only one side of each bank are exposed not to mention all
> of the internal webbing that a V series has that simply doesn't exist with
> an inline block.
>
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Mike Simmons wrote:
> "azwiley1" <wiley156.RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>>On Nov 29, 10:47 pm, Beryl <flyingterra....RemoveThis@chillylbits.org> wrote:
>>
>>>Hober Mallow wrote:
>>>
>>>>Hello Everyone,
>>>
>>>>I drive an '06 Ram 2500 with Cummins Diesel motor.
>>>
>>>>It doesn't seem to 'hold' heat very well. I can have the truck all
>>>>warmed
>>>>up, right at the centerpoint of the temp gauge.
>>>
>>>>Then I'll park it and shut it off. In about an hour I'll come back to
>>>>start it up and the temperature gauge reads stone cold and I'll need to
>>>>warm it up completely again.
>>>
>>>>My truck seems to cool down rather quickly. I think the thermostat is
>>>>OK.
>>>
>>>>Someone told me this is because Diesel motors run on the principle of
>>>>using
>>>>as little fuel as possible, thus a Diesel just doesn't run as hot as a
>>>>gasoline motor.
>>>
>>>>Any comments? Suggestions? Thanks in advance.
>>>
>>>>The Rocket Man
>>>
>>>A narrow, stretched out inline engine has more surface area that a
>>>compact, chunky V-type.
>>>
>>>Now... combine that with a.a.d.t resident thermodynamacist punkin's
>>>intriguing hypothesis. LOL!- Hide quoted text -
>>>
>>>- Show quoted text -
>>
>>Intriguing hypothesis huh?
>>So you are tell me that if the out side temp is say 90 that the block
>>is going to cool down at the same rate as if the outside temp is say
>>40? Bullshit.

Sarcasm hard to grasp, punkin?

> Go to the head of the class, Wiley!

Atta-boy punkin. Go! Then turn left. There's a stool and a red pointy
cap with a "D" for you in the corner.

> The temperature differential (delta t in engineer speak) is critical in the rate of heat loss.

Hmmm. I don't detect a condescending tone in your reply. Not the
slightest bit. *Any* moron knows that something gets cold faster when
it's friggin' cold outside!

And I think of Delta T (or Delta anything) as a change in T (or in
anything). Different than a differential.
A differential exists between two or more things, all at once, at the
same time. But a change in some thing does not exist at once, because
some thing that was once like that and then changed is no longer like
that, it's now like this. That's why there's time, so everything doesn't
all happen at once.
But I'm not an engineer.

> Mike

And I also think your solid/convection explanation was messed up. The
coil in your forced air electric furnace did not transfer heat via
convection.
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> On Nov 30, 7:43 pm, the... DeleteThis @whatever.net wrote:
>> On Fri, 30 Nov 2007 18:14:17 -0800 (PST), azwiley1
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>> <wiley... DeleteThis @yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >On Nov 30, 6:31 pm, "Mike Simmons" <mike... DeleteThis @yhti.net> wrote:
>> >> "azwiley1" <wiley... DeleteThis @yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>> >>news:88027a78-92f8-45f1-a721-c398fcb916f7@s19g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
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>> >> > On Nov 29, 10:47 pm, Beryl <flyingterra... DeleteThis @chillylbits.org> wrote:
>> >> >> Hober Mallow wrote:
>> >> >> > Hello Everyone,
>>
>> >> >> > I drive an '06 Ram 2500 with Cummins Diesel motor.
>>
>> >> >> > It doesn't seem to 'hold' heat very well. I can have the truck
>> >> >> > all
>> >> >> > warmed
>> >> >> > up, right at the centerpoint of the temp gauge.
>>
>> >> >> > Then I'll park it and shut it off. In about an hour I'll come
>> >> >> > back to
>> >> >> > start it up and the temperature gauge reads stone cold and I'll
>> >> >> > need to
>> >> >> > warm it up completely again.
>>
>> >> >> > My truck seems to cool down rather quickly. I think the
>> >> >> > thermostat is
>> >> >> > OK.
>>
>> >> >> > Someone told me this is because Diesel motors run on the
>> >> >> > principle of
>> >> >> > using
>> >> >> > as little fuel as possible, thus a Diesel just doesn't run as hot
>> >> >> > as a
>> >> >> > gasoline motor.
>>
>> >> >> > Any comments? Suggestions? Thanks in advance.
>>
>> >> >> > The Rocket Man
>>
>> >> >> A narrow, stretched out inline engine has more surface area that a
>> >> >> compact, chunky V-type.
>>
>> >> >> Now... combine that with a.a.d.t resident thermodynamacist punkin's
>> >> >> intriguing hypothesis. LOL!- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> >> >> - Show quoted text -
>>
>> >> > Intriguing hypothesis huh?
>> >> > So you are tell me that if the out side temp is say 90 that the
>> >> > block
>> >> > is going to cool down at the same rate as if the outside temp is say
>> >> > 40? Bullshit.
>>
>> >> Go to the head of the class, Wiley! The temperature differential
>> >> (delta t
>> >> in engineer speak) is critical in the rate of heat loss.
>>
>> >> Mike- Hide quoted text -
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>> >Aww gee thanks Mike. (I think) <g>
>>
>> is that gonna piss sheryl off? just askin, cause i want to be there
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> I am sure it will, as it will boner

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>> "Beryl" <flyingterrapin.DeleteThis@chillylbits.org> wrote in message
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>>> Hober Mallow wrote:
>>>> Hello Everyone,
>>>>
>>>> I drive an '06 Ram 2500 with Cummins Diesel motor.
>>>>
>>>> It doesn't seem to 'hold' heat very well. I can have the truck all
>>>> warmed up, right at the centerpoint of the temp gauge.
>>>>
>>>> Then I'll park it and shut it off. In about an hour I'll come back to
>>>> start it up and the temperature gauge reads stone cold and I'll need to
>>>> warm it up completely again.
>>>>
>>>> My truck seems to cool down rather quickly. I think the thermostat is
>>>> OK.
>>>>
>>>> Someone told me this is because Diesel motors run on the principle of
>>>> using as little fuel as possible, thus a Diesel just doesn't run as hot
>>>> as a gasoline motor.
>>>>
>>>> Any comments? Suggestions? Thanks in advance.
>>>>
>>>> The Rocket Man
>>>
>>> A narrow, stretched out inline engine has more surface area that a
>>> compact, chunky V-type.
>>
>> What does that have to do with anything the OP asked?
>>
>> BTW, I recently installed qLogic iCLi on 4 servers. This allowed me to
>> upgrade the firmware of the individual iSCSI storage array members in a 3
>> member storage array group - to which the 4 servers have a total of 10
>> volumes attached - without shutting down any of the servers during the
>> storage array firmware update process.
>>
>> What's that have to do with anything? About as much as your answer to
>> Hober Mallow does.
>
>
> Well dude, what it has to do with is the simple fact that more surface
> area of the inline block means that the engine can and will cool down
> faster, especially when no longer running . Perhaps you might want to
> actually read and think about what was written before jumping in out of
> anger and simply making a fool out of yourself.
>
> --
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>
>

Given the way you addressed me, that's kind of funny. However, no where did
the OP ask about it compared any engine configuration, other than gasoline.
He doesn't mention V-8 or I-6, except that we know he has an I-6.

Furthermore, I'm not sure about Beryl's assumption that an I-6 has more
surface area than a V-8. After all, a V-8 has two cylinder heads sticking
out in the air, which implies more surface area because there are 2 more
sides to account for. And usually a V-8 has more displacement that an I-6.
It's far to general a statement. One can compare specific engines, for
instance the Cummins 5.9L and the Magnum 5.9L

I don't know what the surface area of a Cummins 5.9 is compared to a Magnum
5.9, but the Cummins has a bore of 4.02" and a stroke of 4.72" where as the
Magnum has a bore of 4" and a stroke of 3.58" which means that the surface
area of the cylinder which the piston travels past is actually larger on the
Magnum by about 2 square inches. Of course the actual surface area of the
cylinder walls in both engines is larger and that's no way to measure the
outside surface area of the engine, but it's interesting to note. Does
anyone here know the surface area of the Cummins engine, and/or a the Magnum
5.9?

Also, the surface area is only one part of the equation. How about thermal
mass? I don't know the weight of the Cummins engine, or the Magnum, but I
understand those Cummins are pretty heavy. That implies more thermal mass,
which will hold the temperature longer.

Finally, I can't speak from experience about the Cummins cool down time, but
my Duramax 6.6L V-8 diesel cools down at about the same rate as the OP's. I
don't know the surface area, weight, or thermal mass of that engine either,
but anecdotally, it doesn't support Beryl's claim.
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>>> "Beryl" <flyingterrapin DeleteThis @chillylbits.org> wrote in message
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>>>> Hober Mallow wrote:
>>>>> Hello Everyone,
>>>>>
>>>>> I drive an '06 Ram 2500 with Cummins Diesel motor.
>>>>>
>>>>> It doesn't seem to 'hold' heat very well. I can have the truck all
>>>>> warmed up, right at the centerpoint of the temp gauge.
>>>>>
>>>>> Then I'll park it and shut it off. In about an hour I'll come back to
>>>>> start it up and the temperature gauge reads stone cold and I'll need
>>>>> to warm it up completely again.
>>>>>
>>>>> My truck seems to cool down rather quickly. I think the thermostat is
>>>>> OK.
>>>>>
>>>>> Someone told me this is because Diesel motors run on the principle of
>>>>> using as little fuel as possible, thus a Diesel just doesn't run as
>>>>> hot as a gasoline motor.
>>>>>
>>>>> Any comments? Suggestions? Thanks in advance.
>>>>>
>>>>> The Rocket Man
>>>>
>>>> A narrow, stretched out inline engine has more surface area that a
>>>> compact, chunky V-type.
>>>
>>> What does that have to do with anything the OP asked?
>>>
>>> BTW, I recently installed qLogic iCLi on 4 servers. This allowed me to
>>> upgrade the firmware of the individual iSCSI storage array members in a
>>> 3 member storage array group - to which the 4 servers have a total of
>>> 10 volumes attached - without shutting down any of the servers during
>>> the storage array firmware update process.
>>>
>>> What's that have to do with anything? About as much as your answer to
>>> Hober Mallow does.
>>
>>
>> Well dude, what it has to do with is the simple fact that more surface
>> area of the inline block means that the engine can and will cool down
>> faster, especially when no longer running . Perhaps you might want to
>> actually read and think about what was written before jumping in out of
>> anger and simply making a fool out of yourself.
>>
>> --
>> If at first you don't succeed, you're not cut out for skydiving
>>
>>
>
> Given the way you addressed me, that's kind of funny. However, no where
> did the OP ask about it compared any engine configuration, other than
> gasoline. He doesn't mention V-8 or I-6, except that we know he has an
> I-6.

The way that I addressed you???? Give me a break. You are really grasping
at straws here. As for the engine configuration, while the OP did not ask
for a comparison between different types, the inline configuration of the
Cummins is a factor in how fast it loses heat.

>
> Furthermore, I'm not sure about Beryl's assumption that an I-6 has more
> surface area than a V-8.

Then I guess that you never really looked at an inline engine.

> After all, a V-8 has two cylinder heads sticking out in the air, which
> implies more surface area because there are 2 more sides to account for.

That would be true if it wern't complete BS. There is almost the same
amount of surface area between the two. While the V series has two heads,
they are about half as long so where is the gain. The only gain is in the
added area from the two added endpoints which really doesn't add up to all
that much.

> And usually a V-8 has more displacement that an I-6. It's far to general a
> statement. One can compare specific engines, for instance the Cummins
> 5.9L and the Magnum 5.9L
>
> I don't know what the surface area of a Cummins 5.9 is compared to a
> Magnum 5.9, but the Cummins has a bore of 4.02" and a stroke of 4.72"
> where as the Magnum has a bore of 4" and a stroke of 3.58" which means
> that the surface area of the cylinder which the piston travels past is
> actually larger on the Magnum by about 2 square inches.

Really??? Since you have just claimed that the Cummins has a slightly
larger bore and a much longer stroke (which would make sense since it has
two less cylinders and the same displacement), how exactly does the Magnum
have a LARGER surface area per cylinder??????

> Of course the actual surface area of the cylinder walls in both engines is
> larger and that's no way to measure the outside surface area of the
> engine, but it's interesting to note.

What exactly does "the actual surface area of the cylinder walls in both
engines is larger" even mean? Larger than what??? This is not a wise
crack, I really don't understand what you are trying to say here.

> Does anyone here know the surface area of the Cummins engine, and/or a
> the Magnum 5.9?
>
> Also, the surface area is only one part of the equation. How about
> thermal mass? I don't know the weight of the Cummins engine, or the
> Magnum, but I understand those Cummins are pretty heavy. That implies more
> thermal mass, which will hold the temperature longer.

More thermal mass means that it can store more heat energy, not necessarily
that it can hold temp longer. Thermal transfer rates and the surface area
exposed has a lot of influence on how quikly that heat is pulled from that
mass.

>
> Finally, I can't speak from experience about the Cummins cool down time,
> but my Duramax 6.6L V-8 diesel cools down at about the same rate as the
> OP's. I don't know the surface area, weight, or thermal mass of that
> engine either, but anecdotally, it doesn't support Beryl's claim.

That would be valid only if your and his truck were exposed to the same temp
and have the same or similar under hood conditions. I don't know if that is
the case or not and neither do you. I am not saying that Beryl is correct
in this theory, only that it was on point with the OP's question and was a
valid theory.

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 >> Stay informed about: '06 Ram w/Diesel -- Doesn't 'hold' heat 

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>>> > "Beryl" <flyingterra... RemoveThis @chillylbits.org> wrote in message
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>>> >> Hober Mallow wrote:
>>> >>> Hello Everyone,
>>>
>>> >>> I drive an '06 Ram 2500 with Cummins Diesel motor.
>>>
>>> >>> It doesn't seem to 'hold' heat very well. I can have the truck all
>>> >>> warmed up, right at the centerpoint of the temp gauge.
>>>
>>> >>> Then I'll park it and shut it off. In about an hour I'll come back
>>> >>> to
>>> >>> start it up and the temperature gauge reads stone cold and I'll need
>>> >>> to
>>> >>> warm it up completely again.
>>>
>>> >>> My truck seems to cool down rather quickly. I think the thermostat
>>> >>> is
>>> >>> OK.
>>>
>>> >>> Someone told me this is because Diesel motors run on the principle
>>> >>> of
>>> >>> using as little fuel as possible, thus a Diesel just doesn't run as
>>> >>> hot
>>> >>> as a gasoline motor.
>>>
>>> >>> Any comments? Suggestions? Thanks in advance.
>>>
>>> >>> The Rocket Man
>>>
>>> >> A narrow, stretched out inline engine has more surface area that a
>>> >> compact, chunky V-type.
>>>
>>> > What does that have to do with anything the OP asked?
>>>
>>> > BTW, I recently installed qLogic iCLi on 4 servers. This allowed me to
>>> > upgrade the firmware of the individual iSCSI storage array members in
>>> > a 3
>>> > member storage array group - to which the 4 servers have a total of
>>> > 10
>>> > volumes attached - without shutting down any of the servers during the
>>> > storage array firmware update process.
>>>
>>> > What's that have to do with anything? About as much as your answer to
>>> > Hober Mallow does.
>>>
>>> Well dude, what it has to do with is the simple fact that more surface
>>> area
>>> of the inline block means that the engine can and will cool down faster,
>>> especially when no longer running . Perhaps you might want to actually
>>> read
>>> and think about what was written before jumping in out of anger and
>>> simply
>>> making a fool out of yourself.
>>>
>>> --
>>> If at first you don't succeed, you're not cut out for skydiving- Hide
>>> quoted text -
>>>
>>> - Show quoted text -
>>
>> Nice of you you moderate again Tom, thanks.
>
> LOL, please explain to me how my post is in any way different than the one
> Ed posted or the one you just did for that matter. Grow up dude.

The difference is that you jumped in with hate and apparently not reading
the original question, while I pointed out that he wasn't answering the
question, nor did I call Beryl names or make assumptions as to why he posted
his response, unlike your response to me, which you kind of admit was filled
with anger. Perhaps more than one person around here needs to grow up.

>
> --
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>
>
 >> Stay informed about: '06 Ram w/Diesel -- Doesn't 'hold' heat 

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>>> On Nov 30, 12:28 pm, "TBone" <No... RemoveThis @nothere.com> wrote:
>>>> "Ed H." <edo.h... RemoveThis @verizon.net> wrote in message
>>>>
>>>> news:TxO3j.40709$ng.39540@trnddc08...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> > "Beryl" <flyingterra... RemoveThis @chillylbits.org> wrote in message
>>>> >news:13kv8r1hjj7opd3@corp.supernews.com...
>>>> >> Hober Mallow wrote:
>>>> >>> Hello Everyone,
>>>>
>>>> >>> I drive an '06 Ram 2500 with Cummins Diesel motor.
>>>>
>>>> >>> It doesn't seem to 'hold' heat very well. I can have the truck all
>>>> >>> warmed up, right at the centerpoint of the temp gauge.
>>>>
>>>> >>> Then I'll park it and shut it off. In about an hour I'll come back
>>>> >>> to
>>>> >>> start it up and the temperature gauge reads stone cold and I'll
>>>> >>> need to
>>>> >>> warm it up completely again.
>>>>
>>>> >>> My truck seems to cool down rather quickly. I think the thermostat
>>>> >>> is
>>>> >>> OK.
>>>>
>>>> >>> Someone told me this is because Diesel motors run on the principle
>>>> >>> of
>>>> >>> using as little fuel as possible, thus a Diesel just doesn't run as
>>>> >>> hot
>>>> >>> as a gasoline motor.
>>>>
>>>> >>> Any comments? Suggestions? Thanks in advance.
>>>>
>>>> >>> The Rocket Man
>>>>
>>>> >> A narrow, stretched out inline engine has more surface area that a
>>>> >> compact, chunky V-type.
>>>>
>>>> > What does that have to do with anything the OP asked?
>>>>
>>>> > BTW, I recently installed qLogic iCLi on 4 servers. This allowed me
>>>> > to
>>>> > upgrade the firmware of the individual iSCSI storage array members in
>>>> > a 3
>>>> > member storage array group - to which the 4 servers have a total of
>>>> > 10
>>>> > volumes attached - without shutting down any of the servers during
>>>> > the
>>>> > storage array firmware update process.
>>>>
>>>> > What's that have to do with anything? About as much as your answer
>>>> > to
>>>> > Hober Mallow does.
>>>>
>>>> Well dude, what it has to do with is the simple fact that more surface
>>>> area
>>>> of the inline block means that the engine can and will cool down
>>>> faster,
>>>> especially when no longer running . Perhaps you might want to actually
>>>> read
>>>> and think about what was written before jumping in out of anger and
>>>> simply
>>>> making a fool out of yourself.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> If at first you don't succeed, you're not cut out for skydiving- Hide
>>>> quoted text -
>>>>
>>>> - Show quoted text -
>>>
>>> Nice of you you moderate again Tom, thanks.
>>
>> LOL, please explain to me how my post is in any way different than the
>> one Ed posted or the one you just did for that matter. Grow up dude.
>
> The difference is that you jumped in with hate and apparently not reading
> the original question, while I pointed out that he wasn't answering the
> question, nor did I call Beryl names or make assumptions as to why he
> posted his response, unlike your response to me, which you kind of admit
> was filled with anger. Perhaps more than one person around here needs to
> grow up.


LOL, give me a break. I hardly called you names or posted anything out of
hate, especially since I don't really even know you. BTW, it seems as
though you are the one that didn't understand the question. The OP wanted
to know if anyone had any idea's why his engine lost heat so quickly. Beryl
simply made a statement that the inline configuration exposes more of it's
mass as surface area and is subject to faster cool downs which for the most
part, is a valid assumption and is on point with the OP's question. Perhaps
you might want to point out where anything in yours is. I'm sure that the
successful update of your company data array is thrilling to everyone but I
missed where it has anything at all to do with the OP's question.

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>>>>> Hober Mallow wrote:
>>>>>> Hello Everyone,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I drive an '06 Ram 2500 with Cummins Diesel motor.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It doesn't seem to 'hold' heat very well. I can have the truck all
>>>>>> warmed up, right at the centerpoint of the temp gauge.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Then I'll park it and shut it off. In about an hour I'll come back
>>>>>> to start it up and the temperature gauge reads stone cold and I'll
>>>>>> need to warm it up completely again.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My truck seems to cool down rather quickly. I think the thermostat
>>>>>> is OK.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Someone told me this is because Diesel motors run on the principle of
>>>>>> using as little fuel as possible, thus a Diesel just doesn't run as
>>>>>> hot as a gasoline motor.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Any comments? Suggestions? Thanks in advance.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The Rocket Man
>>>>>
>>>>> A narrow, stretched out inline engine has more surface area that a
>>>>> compact, chunky V-type.
>>>>
>>>> What does that have to do with anything the OP asked?
>>>>
>>>> BTW, I recently installed qLogic iCLi on 4 servers. This allowed me to
>>>> upgrade the firmware of the individual iSCSI storage array members in a
>>>> 3 member storage array group - to which the 4 servers have a total of
>>>> 10 volumes attached - without shutting down any of the servers during
>>>> the storage array firmware update process.
>>>>
>>>> What's that have to do with anything? About as much as your answer to
>>>> Hober Mallow does.
>>>
>>>
>>> Well dude, what it has to do with is the simple fact that more surface
>>> area of the inline block means that the engine can and will cool down
>>> faster, especially when no longer running .
>>
>> Do you think that it might have to do with the liquid that might disapate
>> the heat quicker? Regards t