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Guenter Scholz

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(Msg. 16) Posted: Fri Apr 20, 2007 10:55 pm
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Dori A Schmetterling wrote:
>Have you considered a CLK Cab to get even more space? Again, at least the
>3.2 l engine. Very popular in London.
>
>It's almost practical, even... at least it's the least impractical of the
>impractical cars...
>
>DAS

Dory, I was ready to purchase one and took the one who must be obeyed
along... mistake. Should have given it to her for a birthday present Smile
Seems only a practical sedan will do ... I then decided on a 2003 E320 (the
newer style, and I like to buy a bit older since I'm cheap) didn't particular
like it and TOWMBO thought it was on the gaudy side inside wht with all the
wood trim, swoops etc, I liked it, but who am I to argue. I've now decided to
get the A/C on my 300E (89) fixed.... that was her major problem with it since
she in fact likes the 2nd gear start and the fairly plain/practical inside
along with lot's of room and very quiet engine. Sooooo, maybe I'm allowed to
buy 'her' a little sports car like the SLK 320 .... she's going to NY with
our daughter for 10 days soon and I'm planning to possible have something
at home when she get's back and try to weather the storm....

- cheers, guenter

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Harri Markkula

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(Msg. 17) Posted: Sat Apr 21, 2007 5:55 am
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"-->> T.G. Lambach <<--" <"T.G. Lambach at NoHamorSpamcomcast.net">
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> The M-B V-6 is a 90 degree "V" with a counter rotating balance shaft
> that's supposed to cancel the engine's inherent imbalance. A 60 degree
> V6 needs no counter shaft, cylinders fire every 60 degrees of rotation
> so the motor IS in a balanced state. A V-8 is even smoother as a
> cylinder fires every 45 degrees of rotation. A 60 degree V-12 is even
> smoother. And a straight six has no balance problem either for each
> cylinder fires at 60 degrees and the cylinders are in a single row.
>
> I believe that's the reason you felt the M-B V-6 was harsher than your
> straight six, one of the smoothest sixes, IMHO.

Are they 2-stroke engines?

Reg: Harri

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Harri Markkula

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(Msg. 18) Posted: Sat Apr 21, 2007 5:55 am
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"Guenter Scholz" wrote in message

> Hi All
>
> I drove the '03 E320 today and found myself rather disapointed
> compared
> to my old '89 300E. What am I missing here? it seemed to me that the
> engine was not as smooth, almost a buzzy quality when accelerating...
> definitely not as quiet as my old warhorse. then driving a V6 Camery
> and
> comparing the two, I didn't think there was all that much difference,
> ie
> the front wheel drive was rather similar wrt engine noise during
> acceleration.
> I'm starting to wonder if aluminum based engines are inherently noiser
> compared to the old cast iron ones.... anyway, rather disapointed.
> Anyone have any thoughts?

I suppose it's a computer to blame.

300E has a siple mechanical accelerating pedal but new one has
electrical and a computer between pedal and engine.

I had before a really great 190E 2,6 but now there is a E240 with V6
engine.

Reg: Harri
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Tiger1

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(Msg. 19) Posted: Sat Apr 21, 2007 10:50 am
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2nd gear start is easily done in newer MB... just keep it in W position as
opposed to S mode.
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Dori A Schmetterling

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(Msg. 20) Posted: Sun Apr 22, 2007 3:55 pm
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Come to think of it, didn't we discuss this before?

Anyway, I think the more recent E and other class interiors (don't know in
what year it started, but after 2001) is very smart. The E320 is VERY
practical, isn't it?

If I ever get rid of my CLK that's probably what I would go for.

Thing is, I do 5K miles or less.

My wife has our old 190E and she sometimes mutters about a newer car, but
come September it'll be back down to a handfull of miles a week because our
son is starting at a school to which we are unlikely to drive very often,
using the Underground instead.

Still, I asked a couple of service managers at my Merc garage and they
advised to avoid A-Class before about 2003/4 and C-Class.

(I only asked about smaller cars.)

B-Class has no issues, they said. Scathing about older As, as you can see.

DAS

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"Guenter Scholz" wrote in message

[...]
> Dory, I was ready to purchase one and took the one who must be obeyed
> along... mistake. Should have given it to her for a birthday present Smile
> Seems only a practical sedan will do ... I then decided on a 2003 E320
> (the
> newer style, and I like to buy a bit older since I'm cheap) didn't
> particular
> like it and TOWMBO thought it was on the gaudy side inside wht with all
> the
> wood trim, swoops etc, I liked it, but who am I to argue. I've now
> decided to
> get the A/C on my 300E (89) fixed.... that was her major problem with it
> since
> she in fact likes the 2nd gear start and the fairly plain/practical inside
> along with lot's of room and very quiet engine. Sooooo, maybe I'm allowed
> to
> buy 'her' a little sports car like the SLK 320 .... she's going to NY with
> our daughter for 10 days soon and I'm planning to possible have something
> at home when she get's back and try to weather the storm....
>
> - cheers, guenter
>
>
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Lloyd

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(Msg. 21) Posted: Thu May 17, 2007 12:52 pm
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On Apr 17, 2:11 am, "-->> T.G. Lambach <<--" <"T.G. Lambach at
NoHamorSpamcomcast.net"> wrote:
> Yes and Yes!
>
> The V-6 is machined on the 90 degree machines that also make V-8s and
> the 90 degree V-6 has less height than if it were a 60 degree motor.
>

So they can have a lower hood for better aerodynamics and fuel
economy. Plus, they're shorter, so more space to absorb energy in a
crash.

> As to the power comparison between a contemporary 240 V-6 and the 1970s
> 280 straight six --- let's be fair these two motors are 30 years apart!
> Different fuel injection, different engine controls and different
> transmissions and a lighter weight, and more streamlined, car body.
>

Still, my E350 has the same rated hp (268) as a 1995 C36 AMG!

> That's progress.
>
> As to harshness, the 90 degree V-6 and the "sports sedan" trend with
> its, IMHO, oversized tires contribute to that feeling. I was considering
> buying a new E350 but passed for those reasons.
> --
> © 2007 T.G.Lambach. Publication in any form requires prior written
> permission.
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