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(Msg. 1) Posted: Tue May 20, 2008 5:39 pm
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$5 bucks for diesel at local station, $4.93 cash and $5.10 in town.

Walking is starting to look pretty good.

Today's Marin County Calif prices.
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 12:56 am
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You know, if you price out the cost per mile in diesel and gas engine, you
will find out that the cost is close enough.

I just did a calculation on the 01 E320 with 24 MPG average at $3.95 per
gallon premium and comes up with 16.5 cents per mile.

My 95 E300D with 29 MPG average with $4.59 diesel is 15.9 cents per mile...

Of couse if your MPG is much lower... then your cost is higher for diesel. I
am so glad I filled my cat at $4.39 before it jumped 20 cents! Last fill is
$90.49... even the attendant was stumped when I told him.
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 6:29 am
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-->> T.G. Lambach wibbled:

> $5 bucks for diesel at local station, $4.93 cash and $5.10 in town.
>
> Walking is starting to look pretty good.
>
> Today's Marin County Calif prices.


That looks like a bargain - in the UK it's GBP £1.20 a litre (@USD
$2.35/litre or about USD $8.80 for a US gallon or USD $10.56 for an
imperial Gallon)
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 6:29 am
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Buzby schrieb:
> -->> T.G. Lambach wibbled:
>
>> $5 bucks for diesel at local station, $4.93 cash and $5.10 in town.
>>
>> Walking is starting to look pretty good.
>>
>> Today's Marin County Calif prices.
>
>
> That looks like a bargain - in the UK it's GBP £1.20 a litre (@USD
> $2.35/litre or about USD $8.80 for a US gallon or USD $10.56 for an
> imperial Gallon)

Seem to exist two different systems to gather the money for the social
systems: Tax the output pump (EU) or share the profit at the input pump
(US).

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Roland Franzius wibbled:

> Buzby schrieb:
> >-->> T.G. Lambach wibbled:
> >
> > > $5 bucks for diesel at local station, $4.93 cash and $5.10 in
> > > town.
> > >
> > > Walking is starting to look pretty good.
> > >
> > > Today's Marin County Calif prices.
> >
> >
> > That looks like a bargain - in the UK it's GBP £1.20 a litre (@USD
> > $2.35/litre or about USD $8.80 for a US gallon or USD $10.56 for an
> > imperial Gallon)
>
> Seem to exist two different systems to gather the money for the
> social systems: Tax the output pump (EU) or share the profit at the
> input pump (US).

I'd never looked at it like that - think you may have a point!

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(Msg. 7) Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 3:02 pm
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On May 20, 5:39 pm, "-->> T.G. Lambach <<--" <"T.G. Lambach at
NoHamorSpamcomcast.net"> wrote:
> $5 bucks for diesel at local station, $4.93 cash and $5.10 in town.
>
> Walking is starting to look pretty good.
>
> Today's Marin County Calif prices.
> --
>
> © 2008 T.G.Lambach. Publication in any form requires prior written
> permission.

I'm paying less than $4 a gallon for B100 in Sonoma Tom. Maybe you
should have kept that diesel.
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 10:43 pm
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-->> T.G. Lambach <<-- wrote:

> $5 bucks for diesel at local station, $4.93 cash and $5.10 in town.

Ugh, yeah $4.999 at the Chevron by the freeway in Carlsbad, north of San
Diego, tonight. Ridiculous. I went to Costco yesterday and saw that
the 35lb soybean oil jugs are $26.39 a piece, which is also like
$5.75/gallon. Good lord.

I'm starting to consider getting a 107 and putting an electric motor
into it. I think that'd make for a fun car to drive...

-tom!

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(Msg. 9) Posted: Thu May 22, 2008 7:26 am
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On May 22, 1:43 am, Tom Plunket <to... DeleteThis @fancy.org> wrote:
> -->> T.G. Lambach <<-- wrote:
>
> > $5 bucks for diesel at local station, $4.93 cash and $5.10 in town.
>
> Ugh, yeah $4.999 at the Chevron by the freeway in Carlsbad, north of San
> Diego, tonight.  Ridiculous.  I went to Costco yesterday and saw that
> the 35lb soybean oil jugs are $26.39 a piece, which is also like
> $5.75/gallon.  Good lord.
>
> I'm starting to consider getting a 107 and putting an electric motor
> into it.  I think that'd make for a fun car to drive...
>
> -tom!
>
> --

I've been looking into doing something like this for weeks now. It is
a huge initial investment though. If you can build an electric car for
under 6k you did it cheaply, and then you will only have a range under
30 to 40 miles. It takes an investment in the teens to twenty
thousands to get range over 100 miles.
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Fri May 23, 2008 4:48 pm
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On May 22, 10:26 am, "weelli...@gmail.com" <weelli....RemoveThis@gmail.com>
wrote:
> On May 22, 1:43 am, Tom Plunket <to....RemoveThis@fancy.org> wrote:
>
> > -->> T.G. Lambach <<-- wrote:
>
> > > $5 bucks for diesel at local station, $4.93 cash and $5.10 in town.
>
> > Ugh, yeah $4.999 at the Chevron by the freeway in Carlsbad, north of San
> > Diego, tonight.  Ridiculous.  I went to Costco yesterday and saw that
> > the 35lb soybean oil jugs are $26.39 a piece, which is also like
> > $5.75/gallon.  Good lord.
>
> > I'm starting to consider getting a 107 and putting an electric motor
> > into it.  I think that'd make for a fun car to drive...
>
> > -tom!
>
> > --
>
> I've been looking into doing something like this for weeks now. It is
> a huge initial investment though. If you can build an electric car for
> under 6k you did it cheaply, and then you will only have a range under
> 30 to 40 miles. It takes an investment in the teens to twenty
> thousands to get range over 100 miles.

The only other problem with this is if it's done in any numbers
significant enough to impact fuel demand, the additional electricity
has to come from somewhere. And unless it's from more coal, the
price of the electricity isn't going to be what it is now. Also, the
infrastructure has to be increased to support the new demand.
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Sat May 24, 2008 5:34 pm
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<trader4 RemoveThis @optonline.net> wrote in message
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....The only other problem with this is if it's done in any numbers
significant enough to impact fuel demand, the additional electricity
has to come from somewhere. And unless it's from more coal, the
price of the electricity isn't going to be what it is now.

Coal? Why coal? Nuclear power is cleaner safer and cheaper than any
stinking coal plant.
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Sat May 24, 2008 11:24 pm
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(Msg. 13) Posted: Sun May 25, 2008 6:35 am
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On May 24, 8:34 pm, "Roger Shoaf" <sh....RemoveThis@nospamsyix.com> wrote:
> <trad....RemoveThis@optonline.net> wrote in message
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> news:f8b8e3e6-38d0-437b-b205-30499cd48dfc@2g2000hsn.googlegroups.com...
>
> ...The only other problem with this is if it's done in any numbers
> significant enough to impact fuel demand, the additional electricity
> has to come from somewhere.   And unless it's from more coal, the
> price of the electricity isn't going to be what it is now.
>
> Coal?  Why coal?  Nuclear power is cleaner safer and cheaper than any
> stinking coal plant.

Take a look at this report put together by professionals for Congress
comparing the estimated costs of energy from new coal vs nuclear
plants. Without subsidies, nuclear costs 5.6 cents per KWH, compared
to 4.6 cents for an advanced coal plant.

http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/RL33442.pdf

Plus, keep in mind that regardless of what is used to generate the
electricity, to start using electricity to power cars on any
widespread basis is going to require beefing up a lot of the existing
infrastructure. That isn't going to be cheap and has to be paid
for. Most of what is being used to distribute electricity today was
put in place decades ago, when construction costs, permitting,
environmental studies, remediation, etc were all significantly less.
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(Msg. 14) Posted: Sun May 25, 2008 9:02 am
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<trader4 DeleteThis @optonline.net> wrote in message
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On May 24, 8:34 pm, "Roger Shoaf" <sh... DeleteThis @nospamsyix.com> wrote:
> <trad... DeleteThis @optonline.net> wrote in message
>
> news:f8b8e3e6-38d0-437b-b205-30499cd48dfc@2g2000hsn.googlegroups.com...
>
> ...The only other problem with this is if it's done in any numbers
> significant enough to impact fuel demand, the additional electricity
> has to come from somewhere. And unless it's from more coal, the
> price of the electricity isn't going to be what it is now.
>
> Coal? Why coal? Nuclear power is cleaner safer and cheaper than any
> stinking coal plant.

Take a look at this report put together by professionals for Congress
comparing the estimated costs of energy from new coal vs nuclear
plants. Without subsidies, nuclear costs 5.6 cents per KWH, compared
to 4.6 cents for an advanced coal plant.

http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/RL33442.pdf

Plus, keep in mind that regardless of what is used to generate the
electricity, to start using electricity to power cars on any
widespread basis is going to require beefing up a lot of the existing
infrastructure. That isn't going to be cheap and has to be paid
for. Most of what is being used to distribute electricity today was
put in place decades ago, when construction costs, permitting,
environmental studies, remediation, etc were all significantly less.

Ahh, but coal has a price not mentioned in the report you cited. While it
mentions CO2 emissions, it does not mention the tons of radioactive
emissions from the combustion of coal. That right when coal is burned it
releases the uranium and thorium contained in the coal and it ends up in the
smoke and the ash.

See http://www.ornl.gov/info/ornlreview/rev26-34/text/colmain.html for the
details.

Also to be considered is the effect of not making electricity from nuclear
power. First consider that it is a relatively simple matter to convert a
gasoline or diesel truck or automobile to burn natural gas, but it is very
expensive to build and operate an electric car or truck. Also to run an
electric car you have to generate electricity where you suffer an energy
loss from the process of converting the gas or coal into electricity, and
then you have losses in transmission of the electricity, and then you have
losses when you charge the batteries in the electric car. The result is
that you have to burn more fossil fuel to move the car down the road via
electricity rather than by burning it in the engine of the car.

Nuclear also has the possibility of generating cheap off peak electricity to
convert water to hydrogen that could be burned and it would also have other
economic benefits as well. Consider if you will the production of portland
cement. This requires a great deal of energy to run the kilns to produce
the cement needed for use in concrete. Cheap power means cheap concrete for
construction, and that means that the cost of building with concrete goes
down and hence the cost of roads, housing and everything else drops
accordingly. This would also reduce the demand for timber and that would
also reduce costs to the economy.

The downside to nuclear power is the fear. It seems to me that the fear of
catastrophic disaster is not justified by the reality. Education of the
ignorant is the answer here.


--

Roger Shoaf

About the time I had mastered getting the toothpaste back in the tube, then
they come up with this striped stuff.
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If nuclear power is such a great idea, why won't the private insurance
companies insure it? Without government guarantees, all nuclear
plants would have to shut down today because no private insurance is
available.

The best idea here in California for electric cars is to mount solar
panels on your roof to capture sunlight and convert it to electricity
to charge the batteries in the car.

On an industrial scale and a central power generation model, large
solar farms can be built out in the desert and used to separate
hydrogen and oxygen to fill fuel cells which can be transported to
fueling stations for hydrogen powered cars.

Here is a link to a very popular web site about a zero carbon home on
one of the most northern islands of Great Britain. So you don't have
to live in California to make zero carbon technologies work.

http://www.zerocarbonhouse.com/Home.aspx
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